Is it just me that felt Horse Archer are just unique Light Cavalry?

[theauthor]

As far from what i know from horse archer they operate similiarly to light cavalry but better because they can shoot with bow and can hit and run with longer range as oppose of harrasing closely with javelin and melee weapon.

Just because they are cavalry with bow doesn't mean they are terrible at melee especially against other light cavalry or skirmisher.

 

[Evethor]

I`m afraid I can`t make much sense of your post.

Do you feel there is a problem with the way they are implemented?
Is there something you want to discuss?

 

[theauthor]

I`m afraid I can`t make much sense of your post.

Do you feel there is a problem with the way they are implemented?
Is there something you want to discuss?

Just felt horse archer are always treated like it have a class in its own(in ck3 case it's being called archer cavalry) is weird when they are basicly just a better and unique light cavalry.

 

[Evethor]

I see.
Well I`d argue they are much, much more than "just a better light cav"
For historical context see this.

 

[theauthor]

I see.
Well I`d argue they are much, much more than "just a better light cav"
For historical context see this.

Scout, skirmish, harass, hit and run, flanking attack and finally chasing routing enemy.

Isn't that what light cavalry supposed to do?

 

[Silens]

Isn't that what light cavalry supposed to do?

So, you also think that archers are just the same as light infantry and skirmishers, just because they could in theory fill that role?

Horse archers are just versatile, and they could easily take the traditional roles of scouts and skirmishers and could harass the enemy if it was needed. But their main role was to outflank and inflict heavy damage to slower enemy formations, something their number allowed them to do at range.

Mongol armies usually had something between 20k and 40k horse archers. Even if every 4th of them inflicted just one casuality, we're looking at casualities that exceed small to medium medieval armies. That's way beyond the scope of what supporting light units were meant to do.

They were primarily archers, but their horses gave them the advantage of high mobility, so not only were they able to negate the usual disadvantages of archer units, it also allowed them to fulfill other roles, such as scouts, skirmishers etc. But they were archers first and foremost, and the main unit of the mongol army.

The Mongols used Heavy Lancers as their melee shock cavalry, which is about the only role horse archers couldn't fill.

So no, they're not the same, not even close.

 

[theauthor]

So, you also think that archers are just the same as light infantry and skirmishers, just because they could in theory fill that role?

Horse archers are just versatile, and they could easily take the traditional roles of scouts and skirmishers and could harass the enemy if it was needed. But their main role was to outflank and inflict heavy damage to slower enemy formations, something their number allowed them to do at range.

Mongol armies usually had something between 20k and 40k horse archers. Even if every 4th of them inflicted just one casuality, we're looking at casualities that exceed small to medium medieval armies. That's way beyond the scope of what supporting light units were meant to do.

They were primarily archers, but their horses gave them the advantage of high mobility, so not only were they able to negate the usual disadvantages of archer units, it also allowed them to fulfill other roles, such as scouts, skirmishers etc. But they were archers first and foremost, and the main unit of the mongol army.

The Mongols used Heavy Lancers as their melee shock cavalry, which is about the only role horse archers couldn't fill.

So no, they're not the same, not even close.

Well yeah? Horse archer tactic are different enough both in tactic and capability to regular light cavalry to justify to make horse archer a unique unit but their class type purpose is the same with light cavalry just you want horse archer to shoot and hit and run more while most other light cavalry have to harrass at much closer range.

 

[Silens]

Well yeah? Horse archer tactic are different enough both in tactic and capability to regular light cavalry to justify to make horse archer a unique unit but their class type purpose is the same with light cavalry just you want horse archer to shoot and hit and run more while most other light cavalry have to harrass at much closer range.

In terms of CK3, horse archers are far superior to any light cavalry unit. They have no counter, only the Chinese get one single unit that is able to fully counter them (normal crossbowmen get a mere x0.5 counter). They get bonuses against heavy infantry, something that usually only skirmishers get.

I'd never build an army that mainly uses light cavalry. But horse archers? I'd go for it.

 

[theauthor]

In terms of CK3, horse archers are far superior to any light cavalry unit. They have no counter, only the Chinese get one single unit that is able to fully counter them (normal crossbowmen get a mere x0.5 counter). They get bonuses against heavy infantry, something that usually only skirmishers get.

I'd never build an army that mainly uses light cavalry. But horse archers? I'd go for it.

Oh yeah pikeman counter light cavalry aren't they? I suppose that's good enough reason to make horse archer classifed as archer cavalry

 

[YellowPress]

As far from what i know from horse archer they operate similiarly to light cavalry but better because they can shoot with bow and can hit and run with longer range as oppose of harrasing closely with javelin and melee weapon.

Just because they are cavalry with bow doesn't mean they are terrible at melee especially against other light cavalry or skirmisher.

If you carry a bow you can carry less other gear, irl you cant just stick something to your back but have to actually drop or holster it

 

[Maxwell Tornado]

They used to be classified as skirmishers (light infantry), but Paradox decided to make it its own class in the last patch.

 

[YellowPress]

They used to be classified as skirmishers (light infantry), but Paradox decided to make it its own class in the last patch.

Same with elephants