Ive been in a colonial war with Russia for 10 years now. I control every russian colony on earth. Ive killed at least a quarter million russian partisans. I have 30% victory points against them and no matter what they never give in to my demands. I've even tried demanding a crappy 1% victory point colony and they still refuse. Thats 29% points in their favor!! In EUII you would get lots of dissent if you refused a really good deal like that.
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I once got some colonial holdings from France as Japan (4 provinces in Africa [where I had heavily colonized] and 3 in Indochina I belive). Rather easy really.
Sir Humphrey said:
No not once. And its a colonial war so I cant go invade their capitol for more victory points. There are no more victory points I can even get.
Now that I think about it, why would they ever agree to a peace? What do they care that I ocupy their colonies? They don't have to pay for the partisans that spring up and fight me. Letting the war drag on forever doesn't hurt them at all, it only hurts me.
This is a known problem with Russia...the problem is that the AI calculates its remaining strength when deciding whether or not to accept a peace offering...in Russias case that is always quite a bit of strength. All this would be fixed if you could simply escalate a colonial war into a regular war (A feature many hope will be added to 1.04).
If you only have 30% warscore then you do not control every russian colony, you only control 30% of his colonies. Problem is a few of his colonies are in the Urals and elsewhere, which you can't reach.
MrOuija said:
Ok so that makes Russia immune to colonial wars. With a huge advantage like this, whats to stop a russian player from becoming a giant colonial power?
And think about the UK. What if Im France or something and I want to have a small little colonial war with the UK over some tiny african colony. Does that mean in order for UK to give into my demands I have to go and control every English colony on earth? Even Canada, Australia and India?
Brock Landers said:
That's why the present war score system absolutely sucks, and it's one of my two major gripes with Victoria. It just makes it impossible to have regional wars with major powers. I'm not sure whether it's historical or not, but it makes for some frustrating gameplay.
DGuller said:
I would say this problem marks the game as "UNPLAYABLE". I expected as much. Every single game paradox has ever put out has been unplayable untill at least the 4th patch. I understand why. These games are super complex. I still love paradox a lot. I understand why it takes 4 or 5 patches to make a balanced game. Too bad I just mistakenly thought that 1.03 would be the "playable" patch for victoria. Looks like I was wrong. Now its too late and im addicted to it. Im addicted to an unfinished game that has huge flaws!! (not an insult)
Well there are a few ways to look at it. First a colonial war in which you want territory, not claims, against the UK or Russia is all but impossible. Unless of course you want to occupy every province in the British empire, or wait them out when their WE increases, if they are fighting someone else. Colonial wars against other nations are quite possible. For instance I fought Prussia who had gained iceland, the virgin islands and greenland from Denmark. Occupied all three and got 100% warscore. Since each province was only 5 or 6 % individually, I got to keep them all and call it a day. Iv'e also done similar with the U.S against Spain. The UK, and Russia, (sometimes OE) are the only ones that really break the system.
MrOuija said:
That's precisely why it's broken, there is total disconnection between percentage received in war score and percentage in peace deal. This hugely favors large countries (or large colonial empires, depending on type of war), added to their natural advantages of bigger numbers and stronger economy. Anyone with a little sense of mathematics should see this is a massively lopsided setup that hurts game balance.
Question?
When did a colonial war between European powers result in a trade of colonies in this period. Did a colonial war between great powers even occur in this period?
When did a colonial war between European powers result in a trade of colonies in this period. Did a colonial war between great powers even occur in this period?
Derek Pullem said:
The Spanish-American War is the only colonial war between great powers I can think of (and only one of the belligerents was European.)
I started as America in the GC v 1.03. Shortly thereafter I declared Colonial war on the UK. I took all of their Canadian colonies, about 6 - 12 months after I took the last UK colony in North America the Brits came along and offered me a White Peace, which left me in control of all of their colonies. I then moved my troops West to sit on the Russian Colonies in Alaska, as soon as they were all complete I declared colonial war on them and took their Alaskan colonies. About 6 months after I took those colonies the Russians came along and offered me all of Alaska and they threw in the Kuril Islands as well.
From what I can see there is no problem with the colonial war part of the game.
I did run in to something funky in my colonizing. At the beginning of the game there are 2 provinces in Alaska that are not under colonization so I decided to be a bastard and stuck my own Trading post into Alaska, well lo and behold about 2 years later I check my progress and my trade post had somehow become Russian???
Add'l, Am I missing something or if you build 1 of each of the 4 colony buildings you should be able to claim a colony whether any other power has a claim or not? Is that right?
One other thing, I am trying to finish off the colonizing of Canada and the Brits didn't bother to build any coaling stations so I stuck some on those Lakes thinking that it would give me the 4 bldgs I need to claim the colony but no it didn'twork that way? Shouldn't it have worked?
From what I can see there is no problem with the colonial war part of the game.
I did run in to something funky in my colonizing. At the beginning of the game there are 2 provinces in Alaska that are not under colonization so I decided to be a bastard and stuck my own Trading post into Alaska, well lo and behold about 2 years later I check my progress and my trade post had somehow become Russian???
Add'l, Am I missing something or if you build 1 of each of the 4 colony buildings you should be able to claim a colony whether any other power has a claim or not? Is that right?
One other thing, I am trying to finish off the colonizing of Canada and the Brits didn't bother to build any coaling stations so I stuck some on those Lakes thinking that it would give me the 4 bldgs I need to claim the colony but no it didn'twork that way? Shouldn't it have worked?
1. Russo-Japaese war the intent was for Japan to get colonies, they would have except for Teddy Roosevelt.
2. Great War/World War I Germany had to cede all of its colonies, though there was fighting in normal provinces. The Ottomans had to cede all colonies/grant them independence, and there was barely any fighting in Turkey proper save perhaps Gallipoli.
3. The Crimean war was arguably a war for colonies as well as strategic position.
The main problem is that the main overseas colonizer, Great Britain, never got into any wars with Europeans from 1836-1914, for obvious reasons.
2. Great War/World War I Germany had to cede all of its colonies, though there was fighting in normal provinces. The Ottomans had to cede all colonies/grant them independence, and there was barely any fighting in Turkey proper save perhaps Gallipoli.
3. The Crimean war was arguably a war for colonies as well as strategic position.
The main problem is that the main overseas colonizer, Great Britain, never got into any wars with Europeans from 1836-1914, for obvious reasons.
Veilwalker said:
You can claim the state with one of each building, but each province has to have a claim! They don't have to be yours, just have to be filled.