Is it even possible for France to convert their Capital back to Catholic?

[Giffica]

France just got the reformation. Paris is now protestant. Since it's 16 base tax, and it gives a -5% conversion due to being a center of reformation (not to mention the fact it's gonna take about 20 years for that -8% from being recently converted) is it possible for France to even GET enough missionary strength to convert it back? Ignore the fact they don't take religious ideas, but even WITH religious ideas, could they still get it back? Christ this is gonna be a heavy reformation. Portestant France probably. Oh boy this is gonna be a fun ottomans gave when Austria collapses.

 

[anomanderus]

In most of my games France seems to become protestant

I don't know why, but it ensures that France gets gangbanged by the Austrians and the Spaniards so I don't ask questions

 

[Pannonius]

Funny, in my games they stay catholic no matter what. I'd like to see them go blue sometimes.

 

[artemis667]

LOL Anomanderus. I see your logic.

This sort of scenario is why I think the missionary conversion formula needs to be changed and balanced. I've actually modded my own game, to ensure that this sort of province can always be converted assuming ideas and decisions are taken, but balancing it so that overall missionaries are slower. But there are limitations, because the missionary strength is only ever additive/subtractive and nothing else affects it.

 

[Giffica]

Funny, in my games they stay catholic no matter what. I'd like to see them go blue sometimes.

Well I mean this will probably force them protestant, whether they like it or not...

 

[atwix]

off topic: i have seen poland with a center of protestantism. The first ever. Yes, Poland.

Convert Paris? Bet it can be done if you stack all the missionary bonuses. I know i did it bfore this patch, did something change?

 

[Giffica]

off topic: i have seen poland with a center of protestantism. The first ever. Yes, Poland.

Convert Paris? Bet it can be done if you stack all the missionary bonuses. I know i did it bfore this patch, did something change?

Yes, they are a center of reformation, which gives an added -5%.

 

[sinisalo]

The hardest conversion I have done was Rome as Ottomans. IIRC there was a -14 malus to convert, and I got a 15.3 to overcome, but don't remember exactly what I did to achieve that. But it was a healthy mix of policies and ideas, and was before 1.8.

 

[Seraphithan]

Yes should be possible, even without religious ideas.
+2% Base
+2% Inquisitor
+3% Cathedral
+5.5% Decisions
+3% Counter-Reformation
+1.5% Stability
+0.4% Fort level
= 17.4%

Even without max stability and the decision that adds unrest you have enough conversion strength to flip it back.

 

[birincikalite]

Yes should be possible, even without religious ideas.
+2% Base
+2% Inquisitor
+3% Cathedral
+5.5% Decisions
+3% Counter-Reformation
+1.5% Stability
+0.4% Fort level
= 17.4%

Even without max stability and the decision that adds unrest you have enough conversion strength to flip it back.

They will have converted the whole state to Protestant untill they got to that missionary strength

 

[Giffica]

Yes should be possible, even without religious ideas.
+2% Base
+2% Inquisitor
+3% Cathedral
+5.5% Decisions
+3% Counter-Reformation
+1.5% Stability
+0.4% Fort level
= 17.4%

Even without max stability and the decision that adds unrest you have enough conversion strength to flip it back.

But the base value is 16+5. That alone is already 21%. 17.4% is not enough to overcome that. No where near enough. Also, Fort Level is irrelevant, it's 1500. Maybe fort level 3 at most. Also, so is Cathedral, again it's 1500, and Cathedral is a solid 100 years away? It's still pretty far from possible, even if theoretically they get every single bonus. I don't think it's even possible still.

(Not to mention the permanent -25% they are gonna have from religious fanatics for the rest of the game XD)

 

[Giffica]

They will have converted the whole state to Protestant untill they got to that missionary strength

And france won't build a cathedral in their capital, nor will they get to 3 stability with permanent revolts lol.

 

[sermaciej]

off topic: i have seen poland with a center of protestantism. The first ever. Yes, Poland.

What's so strange about this?

 

[Xara]

The center only hits adjacent provinces before going to random locations. France also has a decision they can enact while remaining Catholic that grants religious unity. They aren't going to be "forced" to convert.

 

[Seraphithan]

They will have converted the whole state to Protestant untill they got to that missionary strength

The question was if it was possible to convert back, it is. It's probably not optimal, but that's a different issue.

Edit:

But the base value is 16+5.

No base is 8+5, religious zeal is a temporary modifier that goes away after 20 or 25 years. That leaves you with 13 which can be overcome without a cathedral and only +1 stability.

 

[atwix]

What's so strange about this?

err, nothing. Just ahistorical, as Poland is one of the most catholic minded states in that timeframe.. Fighting Ottomans and all.. Oh nevermind i guess

Thing is, Muscovy got Protestant in that game due to poland.

 

[Shadrol]

err, nothing. Just ahistorical, as Poland is one of the most catholic minded states in that timeframe.. Fighting Ottomans and all.. Oh nevermind i guess

Thing is, Muscovy got Protestant in that game due to poland.

Poland was stenched with reformist ideas in the 16th century despite todays identitity as being the most catholic nation. Or rather the nobility was.

 

[Giffica]

The center only hits adjacent provinces before going to random locations. France also has a decision they can enact while remaining Catholic that grants religious unity. They aren't going to be "forced" to convert.

Interesting theory, they have religious rebels holding their capital.

 

[Xara]

Interesting theory, they have religious rebels holding their capital.

Come back when it actually amounts to something.

Even England doesn't want to convert Protestant anymore, even when hosting a reformation center. I can't recall the last one in a thousand games that ended up with France converting to anything other than Catholic.

 

[ctp]

Centre of Reformation goes away after 1650, that should make it considerably easier.