Is it AI challenging for you??

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Picking up some posts I would like to place this Q... so, for you, is it AI in the game challenging?.

For some players, AI is easy to beat, others think when you play a minor/major nation its easy to expand. For others AI challengs enough!.

Whats yuor opinion??...

Regards! - Bagnato

 

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Heyyy come on guys, don´t just read this, tell me that this game is more challenging than the others board games... come on...

 

[martin4444]

AI isnt that smart.. but then how can a computer program match a human brain? Let's see..
it year 1720 or so (in my GC), i'm at war with everyone, all I do is defend and who ever attacks me and I can manage to conquer and annex I do so.. not my fault they attack me..
they pay the price, anyways, Spain keeps attacking me all the time (I'm sweden, with all of scandinavia under me + russia + all of the german states, holland and half of poland and some muslim countries as well... sure all my provinces in middle and south europe + russia is extremly well defended, so there is really no chance for anyone to break in there, regardless how many nations are attacking me.. now the fun part. Sweden, denmark, finland and norway are all completely undefeded! not even fortresses over lvl 2 in all those provinces.. Now spain or any nation (england, france whatever) with ships (I have no navy) could simply load up tons of armies and just invade my coreprovinces very very easy, but do they do that? They don't! All they insist on attacking is Gotland!!!!! Which I have a lvl 6 fortress on + a 60k army on it to defend.. If the AI was smart he would stop wasting away 200k armies on that little island all the time (he dies everytime) and just go for Skane, or Svealand or whatever, and force me to fight in my own lands and country. And the fact that I *KNOW* that the AI will not touch those perticular provinces makes my GC easier for me..
It's a bit sad, but an AI can never match a human fully as it is now. But all in all the AI is alright, not great and not bad either.

 

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My opinion is that the AI is quite ok. It is not easy to beat Spain or France (in terms of VPs) if you play on the hardest level with a none colonial country with a catholic religion (and I do not mean one province countries like Granada, which is quite boring to play). Try for example Hungary. The introduction of the BB value is also brilliant. It has made the game much harder to play since it stops you from power-mongering the whole world.

 

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Oh guys oh guys... I´m turning sad.... Imperialism II is a little challenging, but the diplomacy engine sucks... please, tell me that EU AI is challenging.... please tell me lies.... I´m still waiting the game knocking my shoes beside my door.... damn postman.... he Mr post man where is my game??? .... hey you guys, don’t break my hart telling me that AI is just normal.... cheat me a little, at least for a wile

 

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The AI is good, one of the best I seen so fare in an strategy PC game. But still It's easy to beat it when u get used with the gameplay.

The AI seems to work better with some custom setting's and it also make it harder for a human player without any bigger disavantes for the AI.

 

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Hi Bagnato,

I just wrote you a post and tried to explain that the game/AI is changeling and fun to play against. My example was for players that have played some GCs and have picked up to many cheats from this forum.
For your first GC the game is extremely fun even with a major power and on normal settings.
I was beaten badly in my first GC as England by two strong alliances (I had ignored diplomacy and was attacked by surprise by an alliance lead by Spain and one lead by France. I lost all my four new cities in US and 1 province in Ireland and 1 province in England in the peace negotiations). I learned the game the hard way.

/Tjalle

 

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Dear Tjalle
Thank for your lies, I feel like a cheated woman.

Which file parameters do you customize to make your country weaker or computer player stronger?

Any way.... I have to wait until receive it... in the meantime, I love some pretty lies... (just kidding)

 

[kerloic]

the AI is quite challenging, as a AI could be with actual tech

but to make the game more challenging, just play a minor, that's pretty intersting, and Prussia front of Poland, that's very challenging

 

[Doomdark]

EU's AI is, frankly, a helluva lot better than the sad excuse in Imperialism II. In fact, people like martin4444 would probably not be able to create such absurdly huge empires without constant saves and reloads; at least not on the aggressive AI level.

An experienced player who does not cheat (i.e. reload when things fall apart) can of course still beat the AI pretty easily by exploiting a few stupid weaknesses, but the early stages of the game in particular can be a real challenge. However, I must advise against playing any of the seven traditional majors as I find them all too easy to play (except for Portugal, which is just boring). On the other hand, the truly tiny nations are not so fun either due to their lack of decent leaders.

Thus it is my opinion that the semi-majors are the most enjoyable to play: Austria, Sweden, Venice, Denmark... Brandenburg (now there's a challenge.)

/Doomie

 

[Griffon]

I find the AI quite challenging. Maybe it's because I suck, but for me it works. although I'm always ahead in VPs, let me tell you I really have to work for them! It's fun and challenging. Now maybe in 2-3 months I'll look at this post and smile, but for now, the AI is quite capable.

Martin4444

They don't! All they insist on attacking is Gotland!!!!! Which I have a lvl 6 fortress on + a 60k army on it to defend.. If the AI was smart he would stop wasting away 200k armies on that little island all the time (he dies everytime) and just go for Skane, or Svealand or whatever, and force me to fight in my own lands and country. And the fact that I *KNOW* that the AI will not touch those perticular provinces makes my GC easier for me..

I've noticed that in the game, the AI ALWAYS heavily garrisons it's islands (corfu, Malta, Rhodes, etc.). Maybe there's something in its programing that makes the AI think that islands are the greatest thing since sliced bread! Personally, I couldn't give a rat's @$$ about islands, but for the AI it seems to be a big part of its behaviour. Maybe Paradox could investigate and tone down the island fever!

 

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Doodmark.... hooohaaaaaahhhh.... big guy answered!!! tough guy you are (kidding)

Thank you! what happens if you do not press the pause button no even once?? just move the clock to 5 min per month some times, could you do this? would you handle it?

Regards

 

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The AI in EU is no better than normal. In particular it is very bad at factoring in attrition, and behaves strangely regarding sieges (see my other post, 'AI and Sieges'). Also as noted by others it tends to build huge garrisons on islands, and it overbuilds navies and then doesn't use them effectively. Correcting this things would make the AI *much* more effective. But of course no AI will ever be as effective as an experienced human player - look how hard it is to design an AI to win at chess, which is much much simpler than EU. Another option would be to allow the AI to cheat, an easy way would be to increase the cost for the human player to buy armies/navies/improvements. You could do this fairly easily just by providing an option to have the initial inflation rate start higher than 0. This would provide an easy way to handicap the human player, but it would be entirely optional so that players who dislike AI cheating could choose not to use it...

Ed

 

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Griffon

I hope to find some day, a game who has all the ingredients, but challenging AI is fundamental!!! Should be a game for you to play today and 3 years ahead anf find it fun and challenging... as old days when I ussed to play KOEI games (ghenghis khan or romance of three kingdoms)

Good old days

 

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Ed

I think what you posted it is easy to fix with a patch, isnt it?

 

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Originally posted by bagnato
Dear Tjalle
Thank for your lies, I feel like a cheated woman.

Which file parameters do you customize to make your country weaker or computer player stronger?

Any way.... I have to wait until receive it... in the meantime, I love some pretty lies... (just kidding)

Hi again Bagnato,

Ï do not customize the files, I just don’t play Spain or France, and the AI is better than in any other game I have played.

I think that Dommies suggestions are good. In my second GC I played Austria and it was challenging and fun (and I did a lot better then with England). Sweden is also fun, because then you can colonize the world and beat the big sleeping bear.

Regards,
Tjalle

 

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Tjalle,

Wouldn’t be realistic to start a game (as an experienced gamer) and finish it with a few more provinces or maybe a few left??? But, as far I read in posts and AAR, they eat the sleeping bear, the noisy pig and the proudly chicken in the same lunch.

Regards.

 

[Doomdark]

Ed's comments on the AI's strange priorities regarding attrition and islands are unfortunately very true, and I would love to see these flaws corrected, but these weaknesses do not ruin the game for me. They are most easily exploited by rather large nations who can afford to play the waiting game and let AI armies die of attrition.

Thank you! what happens if you do not press the pause button no even once?? just move the clock to 5 min per month some times, could you do this? would you handle it?

Without the pause button the game becomes much, much more challenging, but 5 minutes/month is almost the same thing as pause. You could handle that. Normally I play on 8 months per minute, 4 during wars with frequent use of the pause button. If I had to play at one speed without the pause function (such as in a multiplayer game) I would hesitate to play at anything above 2 months per minute.

/Doomie

 

[daboese]

After a while it becomes apparent that the AI is not that aware of attrition as I would have hoped. Only if you are completely surrounded by enemies it might create a problem, but even with a minor like Brandenburg or Hannover it is quite easy to get ahead in the race for VPs. You just have to get the right balance of Annexing/Peacekeeping and by 1600, you'll probably be second or first in the race. Spain will go down sooner or later anyway, since you just have to ally with all other colonial powers and gang up on it.
Nevertheless, it is still fun....

 

[Savant]

The game has many alternatives to playing

the undisputed dreadnaughts of the time.

There are a number of nations to play that will quench your thirst for challenge and play difficulty and that may make you grateful for the AI's problems.

Try playing Uzbekistan and see if you can survive into the 17th century. That is not even half-way and the Uzbeks have a hard time staying alive.

BTW Doomie, those are my settings too. Unless I am playing the 'Iroqois' then I set it at 1-2 years per minute unless at war.