Is Holland Missing Some Cores?

[ahappytampon]

I was looking through the game files and states 35 and 36 aren't cores of Holland. Was it always this way? For what purpose would Holland not have these two states as its cores?

I thought it was a conflicting mod at first, so I disabled all mods and deleted the history->states folder and had Steam re-download them again. Same as last time, these two states aren't cored.

I'm confused, can somebody help?

 

[Orlunu]

Yep, seems to be the case, just looked in my own files. Don't know if it's recent, played as them a few times before and never noticed it in game.

Register your game to the forum and you'll be allowed in to the bug report section to report it properly.

 

[bwhite9]

The state numbers aren't really helpful. Which states are those specifcily.

 

[Mister Analyst]

The state numbers aren't really helpful. Which states are those specifcily.

Per the HOI4 wiki, state 35 is Brabant and state 36 is Friesland. Reference HOI4 link to "List of States" https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/List_of_states

 

[bwhite9]

Per the HOI4 wiki, state 35 is Brabant and state 36 is Friesland.

That's pretty weird. I just opened up a game to check and in-game it shows that they are cores. And I checked the game files and in confirmed that there is no "add_core_of = HOL" in either state file so I don't know what is the reason for this.

 

[Mister Analyst]

That's pretty weird. I just opened up a game to check and in-game it shows that they are cores. And I checked the game files and in confirmed that there is no "add_core_of = HOL" in either state file so I don't know what is the reason for this.

Perhaps I don't understand your question or my explanation is too short, so I will try again.

It appears as though you used a mod that revised your game files. I do not know how to get your files back to their original condition; someone else will have to help you with that.

My HOI4 game is "vanilla" and has never been modified. I am in a current game running as a spectator. The date is Jun 01, 1942 and the Germans have conquered both Brabant (state #35) and Friesland (state #36). The first screenshot, taken while in the "States map mode", shows Friesland selected as indicated by the yellow border around the state. One red arrow points to the Owner "The Netherlands" and the Controller as "The German Reich". The other red arrow points to the State Owner flags which happen to be the flag of "The Netherlands" (the Tag for the Netherlands is HOL which is an abbreviation for Holland.) and the flag of "The German Reich". The second screenshot shows a similar situation for Brabant.

These screenshots clearly show that both Friesland and Brabant are cores of HOL (Holland or The Netherlands) and that GER (Germany or The German Reich) has conquered them.

Can you start a game, then go into the "States map mode" and provide a screenshot?

 

[iBlessTheRains]

Perhaps I don't understand your question or my explanation is too short, so I will try again.

It appears as though you used a mod that revised your game files. I do not know how to get your files back to their original condition; someone else will have to help you with that.

My HOI4 game is "vanilla" and has never been modified. I am in a current game running as a spectator. The date is Jun 01, 1942 and the Germans have conquered both Brabant (state #35) and Friesland (state #36). The first screenshot, taken while in the "States map mode", shows Friesland selected as indicated by the yellow border around the state. One red arrow points to the Owner "The Netherlands" and the Controller as "The German Reich". The other red arrow points to the State Owner flags which happen to be the flag of "The Netherlands" (the Tag for the Netherlands is HOL which is an abbreviation for Holland.) and the flag of "The German Reich". The second screenshot shows a similar situation for Brabant.

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These screenshots clearly show that both Friesland and Brabant are cores of HOL (Holland or The Netherlands) and that GER (Germany or The German Reich) has conquered them.

Can you start a game, then go into the "States map mode" and provide a screenshot?

Your screenshots do not show that they are cores, but rather that they are owned by HOL.

 

[Mister Analyst]

Your screenshots do not show that they are cores, but rather that they are owned by HOL.

@iBlessTheRains

You are correct that the screenshots did not directly show the cores; the cores were implied.

However, if you move the mouse pointer over the State Owner flags while running a game, then a tooltip will pop up indicating which country has a core on that state and which country currently controls and occupies that state. Doing this action resulted in the following four screenshots (unfortunately the mouse pointer disappears whenever a screenshot is taken). As for the game files, maybe the question should be reposted in the "modders" thread.

 

[Orlunu]

Perhaps I don't understand your question or my explanation is too short, so I will try again.

He is saying, and I am backing him up in saying, that the states seem to appear as cores in the actual game, but they are not defined as such in the usual place for this definition in the game files, which is the state history file. This must mean that they are being given core status elsewhere, but I wouldn't have a clue where to look for it.

 

[Bunnytob]

Spoiler: State 35

state={
    id=35
    name="STATE_35" # Brabant
    manpower = 1449000
    
    state_category = city

    history={
        owner = HOL
        buildings = {
            infrastructure = 7
            industrial_complex = 5
        }
        victory_points = {
            6496 5
        }

    }

    provinces={
        3262 6496 6500 11456 11562
    }
}

Spoiler: State 36

state={
    id=36
    name="STATE_36"
    manpower = 2364000

    state_category = city

    history={
        owner = HOL
        buildings = {
            infrastructure = 6
            industrial_complex = 2
            6336 = {
                naval_base = 3
            }
        }
    }

    provinces={
        6241 6286 6336 9309 9335 9363 9403 11318
    }
}

You are absolutely right... they are indeed missing cores in the code.

Spoiler: For reference, here's state 7

state={
    id=7
    name="STATE_7"
    resources={
        steel=4 # was: 8
    }

    history={
        owner = HOL
        add_core_of = HOL
        victory_points = { 391 40 }
        victory_points = { 3211 10 }
        victory_points = { 9498 15 }
        buildings = {
            infrastructure = 8
            arms_factory = 4
            industrial_complex = 3
            dockyard = 3
            air_base = 5
            3314 = {
                naval_base = 10
            }
            9498 = {
                naval_base = 5
            }
        }

    }

    provinces={
        68 391 480 3211 3314 8622 9431 9498
    }
    manpower=4123000
    buildings_max_level_factor=1
    state_category="metropolis"
}

 

[Secret Master]

Umm, is this a bug or not?

If it is, I need to move this to the bug forum. If not, it needs to be closed, since this is not the place to discuss this.

 

[ahappytampon]

I think it is a bug, as in my game without any mods these two states of Holland are not listed as cores.

 

[bitmode]

I was looking through the game files and states 35 and 36 aren't cores of Holland. Was it always this way? For what purpose would Holland not have these two states as its cores?

I thought it was a conflicting mod at first, so I disabled all mods and deleted the history->states folder and had Steam re-download them again. Same as last time, these two states aren't cored.

I'm confused, can somebody help?

As far as I can tell on startup all states owned by a country and directly connected to its capital will be assigned cores if they are not claimed as core by any (other) country (GenerateNonHistoricalAttributes). This is done after and on top of add_core_of. This is the full list of affected states: 35,36,555,288,426,428,640,434,439,431,433,424,423,427,429,438,425,435,432,436,437

The fact that something is not listed in a text file is not in itself a bug, but this hidden initialization does look like an unnecessary complication. In the case of state 555 (Kuril Islands) there's a commented-out add_core_of which might indicate that the content designers are not aware of this extra initialization either...

 

[James Hale]

Yes, I've noticed this kind of thing before - it's particularly notable with India.

Good work @bitmode

@Secret Master

Yes, can be moved to the bug forum. There are other state files missing scripted cores.

 

[Bratyn]

If it's moved to the bug forum it can also be immediately marked as resolved, as I fixed this a long time ago in MtG development (though mostly just for clarity purposes).

As for why you don't have them showing up as cores in-game, I have no idea. I have tested it myself and, like the others in this thread, I get them to show up as cores just fine. Considering I can't reproduce, I can't test or fix your issue, and I strongly suspect you do have a remnant of some kind of mod somewhere.

 

[Dryhad]

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I believe that owned states which are contiguous with the capital(?) are automatically made cores even when not scripted as such, unless they have a core of a different country. For example, RAJ lacks cores on most of its states in the code yet functions just fine in game (and those states which are Pakistani cores are not Raj cores). This seems a bit weird to me but nonetheless is how the game seems to function; I don't think there is a way to set up owned territory connected to the capital which is not made core.

 

[Bunnytob]

I fixed this a long time ago in MtG development (though mostly just for clarity purposes).

Problem solved then

 

[Secret Master]

If it's moved to the bug forum it can also be immediately marked as resolved, as I fixed this a long time ago in MtG development (though mostly just for clarity purposes).

As for why you don't have them showing up as cores in-game, I have no idea. I have tested it myself and, like the others in this thread, I get them to show up as cores just fine. Considering I can't reproduce, I can't test or fix your issue, and I strongly suspect you do have a remnant of some kind of mod somewhere.

Thank you for your input. I won't move this to the bug forum.

If someone still thinks there is a bug, make a fresh post in the bug forum with save games and a very specific list of steps to reproduce.