is Germany too weak?

[boromir]

Still into my first game as Poland ('36 scenario, Normal/Normal level). The AI is incompetent, as expected, but what is disappointing is the performance of the Germans - it's mid December 1939 and I just took Berlin, and all territory around it, Breslau, Stettin etc. All the more dissapointing is the fact that this is my first game in HOI 2 ever, and I didn't use any tricks - just upgraded my infantry to 1939 inf, and built 3 early tank divisions (they cut through the Germans like a knife through butter). I shouldn't have lasted past September! The AI instead stationed itself mostly in Northern & Eastern Poland while I broke through with my armour under Maczek and Infantry ART under Anders and surrounded and stormed Berlin, killing the measly 4 divisions there.

I wonder if Germany is underpowered or if its just poor teching by the AI - if Germany is too weak then its a serious obstacle to MP game balance

 

[Henri]

Still into my first game as Poland ('36 scenario, Normal/Normal level). The AI is incompetent, as expected, but what is disappointing is the performance of the Germans - it's mid December 1939 and I just took Berlin, and all territory around it, Breslau, Stettin etc. All the more dissapointing is the fact that this is my first game in HOI 2 ever, and I didn't use any tricks - just upgraded my infantry to 1939 inf, and built 3 early tank divisions (they cut through the Germans like a knife through butter). I shouldn't have lasted past September! The AI instead stationed itself mostly in Northern & Eastern Poland while I broke through with my armour under Maczek and Infantry ART under Anders and surrounded and stormed Berlin, killing the measly 4 divisions there.

I wonder if Germany is underpowered or if its just poor teching by the AI - if Germany is too weak then its a serious obstacle to MP game balance

Maybe you're a military genius and you don't know it?...

Henri

 

[boromir]

Maybe you're a military genius and you don't know it?...

Henri

It's much more likely that the game needs tweaking In HOI1 it was very hard to survive as Poland even in the 1936 scenario (barring cheesy moves as in occupying Brazil or going on an early war spree)

 

[Orthank]

Maybe you're a military genius and you don't know it?...

Henri

Indeed Boromir didn't add that he made several times mine and other players MP games very very bitter so he is not a representative player .

Boromir try to do that on a very hard mode now .

 

[Jack]

Still into my first game as Poland ('36 scenario, Normal/Normal level). The AI is incompetent, as expected, but what is disappointing is the performance of the Germans - it's mid December 1939 and I just took Berlin, and all territory around it, Breslau, Stettin etc. All the more dissapointing is the fact that this is my first game in HOI 2 ever, and I didn't use any tricks - just upgraded my infantry to 1939 inf, and built 3 early tank divisions (they cut through the Germans like a knife through butter). I shouldn't have lasted past September! The AI instead stationed itself mostly in Northern & Eastern Poland while I broke through with my armour under Maczek and Infantry ART under Anders and surrounded and stormed Berlin, killing the measly 4 divisions there.

I wonder if Germany is underpowered or if its just poor teching by the AI - if Germany is too weak then its a serious obstacle to MP game balance

Poland was my first 1936 campaign too. I got slaughtered from the ai. Well they did not get the province of warschau... . I had to retreat there with 35 1939 divs. I was surrounded and could not do a move anymore. So I admitted defeat. It was to boring to wait longer as december without any action anymore.

 

[unmerged(34139)]

Still into my first game as Poland ('36 scenario, Normal/Normal level). The AI is incompetent, as expected, but what is disappointing is the performance of the Germans - it's mid December 1939 and I just took Berlin, and all territory around it, Breslau, Stettin etc. All the more dissapointing is the fact that this is my first game in HOI 2 ever, and I didn't use any tricks - just upgraded my infantry to 1939 inf, and built 3 early tank divisions (they cut through the Germans like a knife through butter). I shouldn't have lasted past September! The AI instead stationed itself mostly in Northern & Eastern Poland while I broke through with my armour under Maczek and Infantry ART under Anders and surrounded and stormed Berlin, killing the measly 4 divisions there.

I wonder if Germany is underpowered or if its just poor teching by the AI - if Germany is too weak then its a serious obstacle to MP game balance

That does not sound good, but I just want to ask you what difficulty you played at and how did the game go afterwards? if you used most of your army to launch some kind of attack on Berlin, ignoring other provinces, and ended up loosing in the end anywhy then its not as bad.

 

[unmerged(14102)]

Indeed Boromir didn't add that he made several times mine and other players MP games very very bitter so he is not a representative player .

Boromir try to do that on a very hard mode now .

Yeah Boromir, stop pretending to be a NEWB!


In MP, you 're not likely to find POL dealing with GER like that.

 

[Piddelito]

Still into my first game as Poland ('36 scenario, Normal/Normal level). The AI is incompetent, as expected, but what is disappointing is the performance of the Germans - it's mid December 1939 and I just took Berlin, and all territory around it, Breslau, Stettin etc. All the more dissapointing is the fact that this is my first game in HOI 2 ever, and I didn't use any tricks - just upgraded my infantry to 1939 inf, and built 3 early tank divisions (they cut through the Germans like a knife through butter). I shouldn't have lasted past September! The AI instead stationed itself mostly in Northern & Eastern Poland while I broke through with my armour under Maczek and Infantry ART under Anders and surrounded and stormed Berlin, killing the measly 4 divisions there.

I wonder if Germany is underpowered or if its just poor teching by the AI - if Germany is too weak then its a serious obstacle to MP game balance

You know, historically the Poles had a daring plan to counterattack the German army in case of an attack, including a quick march towards Berlin with the Polish cavalry. Seems to me you pulled it off. Congratulations, you changed history!

 

[Exterous]

I think the AI is a bit too timid. It does well on defense but I was only attacked a few time in my march across Europe and England and it was only when they had overwhelming numerical advantage (at least 2:1) (I even managed to encircle 32 of the 68 French divs in the Maginot line)

Even though this was on normal/normal I remember HOI1 eventually being harder. Guess I'll just have to try harder settings


Side note: Metz was left undefended again. A quick march through lower belgium allowed a quick capture of an undefended Maginot line provence

 

[MacDunne]

Hate seeing that Metz can still be expoited. I guess its hard to script the AI into defending a province that is not immediately threatened. Unrealistic as it might be, Metz is going to have to be "guarded" again through an event as it has been done in several HOI1 mods.

 

[unmerged(13858)]

That, and you said you upgraded the polish infantry to 1939 infantry, which in itself was probably an advantage, as the AI prolly didnt upgrade its own. The reason the germans flattened poland IRL was just as much due to more advanced weaponry, and the subsequent firepower advantage of its combat troops, as it was due to mobility and combined arms warfare. The polish army was larger than the invading German force. Had it been similarly equipped with weapons, it would have given a much better showing. Even the few polish tanks gave a good showing...until the stukas found them.

 

[Dadaan]

For everyone saying that the AI is too timid, go into your options and take it off of the default setting of weakling...

I know some of you have done this and are still to much of a war wizard for the AI, but I'm sure it will help a majority of players.

 

[Drakken]

Do you want an AI that acts the same every single time? Sometimes, it's just bound to suck.

In my games, Germany has splattered USSR, then the contrary just happen in the next game. Wait until you have played a few games, and if you'll see if the German AI really does have a problem.

D.

 

[Tamas]

In my games, Germany has splattered USSR, then the contrary just happen in the next game. Wait until you have played a few games, and if you'll see if the German AI really does have a problem.

D.

I would like to echo this. Speaking of the '36 GC, I have seen so vastly different outcomes, that I ask you to give some tries to it before making a final judgement about the AI.

 

[boromir]

Well, after I took Eastern Germany I stopped playing and switched to a Germany GC. The situation looked sort of like a stale mate and a slugging match and I wanted to try out some other game aspects. Had I built a couple more tanks instead of wasting IC on stupid planes it would have been an easy victory. The Germans had upgraded their infantry to '39 units.

Does anyone know whether the AI builds brigades to their units? If not, then brigades might be a bigger advantage to humans than they were in HOI - as everyone has the same base vanilla units in terms of attack/defense stats and brigades are their only modifiers (AFAIK - haven't studied the tech tree in too much detail).

 

[Orthank]

AI does build brigades of course.

 

[Darkrenown]

Yup.