is cloning vats or robots better for the new Aquatic species (especially the preset empire)?

[bugman]

just wondering thanks cause ive seen some people going with gene clinics to produce pops instead of robots

 

[Valerious Catastros]

I think Gene Clinics just increases pop growth speed. Similar to Entertainers if you are a Pleasure Seeker Civic. Cloning on the other hand does pop assembly. It does not stack with robots. You cannot assemble a machine and bio pop at the same time, but you can grow a bio pop and machine or bio pop and assemble a bio pop at the same time with gene clinics and clone labs. But you cannot do that with robots. Essentially, you either pick robots or you pick cloning. You can change it on different worlds. But no need to have both on the same planet since they do not stack.

 

[evilcat]

Cloning vats with Aquatic food spec...
It depends how much food you can squize from 1 pop. And there is no limit. If you take farming edict and some spec you can reach over 20f from pop.
Which makes it equal to robots already, and your organic pops might be more real alternative.

 

[bugman]

I think Gene Clinics just increases pop growth speed. Similar to Entertainers if you are a Pleasure Seeker Civic. Cloning on the other hand does pop assembly. It does not stack with robots. You cannot assemble a machine and bio pop at the same time, but you can grow a bio pop and machine or bio pop and assemble a bio pop at the same time with gene clinics and clone labs. But you cannot do that with robots. Essentially, you either pick robots or you pick cloning. You can change it on different worlds. But no need to have both on the same planet since they do not stack.

hmm so maybe build robots on low hab worlds (which is a problem with aquatics) and clone on ocean worlds if you happen to find any?

 

[theBigTurnip385]

There is nothing about Aquatics that lends itself to pop assembly.


If you are looking to min-max with pop assembly you want a fungoid/planetoid with budding and you run upgraded gene clinics for the pop assembly buff.

 

[Nebbie Zebbie]

You need bio ascension for Clone Vats, and that takes way too long, so robots win hands-down in virtually all cases, even the ones where you are actually going for bio ascension.

If the "Cloning" tech unlocked Clone Vats, then sometimes clones might be better outside of cases where you start with pop assembly.

 

[evilcat]

There is something.
You get 2,3 pop from robotics, but you pay 2alloy and 1 specialist.
With clone vats you pay 30f but get 3pop or maybe 3,6 with gene clinic.
The question is can you reach 20f from single pop?
Gene clinic has some effect on base population and amenity so it is not a wasted building.
Aquatic have that 10% food output, and your pops have take less housing. Generally it is good free trait by default.

 

[SirBlackAxe]

I think Gene Clinics just increases pop growth speed.

Gene Clinics increase organic pop assembly IF you already have clone vats, but don't add any assembly on their own.

I'd say it depends on the game. If you've got a bunch of dry and/or cold worlds, and don't have terraforming yet, you probably want robots to populate them. If you picked the Agrarian trait, you'll probably lean towards cloning.

 

[Nebbie Zebbie]

There is something.
You get 2,3 pop from robotics, but you pay 2alloy and 1 specialist.
With clone vats you pay 30f but get 3pop or maybe 3,6 with gene clinic.
The question is can you reach 20f from single pop?
Gene clinic has some effect on base population and amenity so it is not a wasted building.
Aquatic have that 10% food output, and your pops have take less housing. Generally it is good free trait by default.

Do note that Gene Clinics' effect on population growth alone is extremely low (like 1 in 25 years), and there's an investment of 2 pops for it. It really can be considered a "wasted building" much of the time, compared to other ways to get amenities (like holo-theaters with 1 job disabled).