I would like to try this country, but I'm not sure of how to form it (I mean gameplay wise)
Is Burgundy a good nation to start to form eventually the Netherlands ?
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I don't have a direct answer to your question, but just wanted to point out you may want to wait until the next patch comes out if you want to use the Dutch Republic government. There was a bug with script-generated rulers (including the Dutch Republic) that prevented 6 in their stats (And also drew from a uniform distribution! old, bugged stats were d6-1 (rand()%6) instead of the standard monarch stats of 2d4-2 (rand()%4+rand()%4)). They should be the same as regular monarchs in the new patch.
I've done it with Holland, which isn't difficult. In theory, Burgandy has a stronger start, but you're outside the HRE and have to give your French lands back to France when you form the Netherlands. Of course, if France doesn't exist when change tags, you get to keep your French lands...
Define "good"
You need to own all six Dutch culture provinces. If you're not in the HRE this means fighting the Emperor. For this reason I think there are easier choices than Burgundy. Brabant is probably the easiest:
Get support from all of Burgundy's enemies
Let Burgundy release you
Get a marriage with them
Wait for the full inheritance (minus the French part)
Conquer the three remaining Dutch provinces (in 1444 belonging to Utrecht, Gelre, and Friesland)
Inheriting Burgundy's PUs from the event is quicker than Burgundy inheriting them herself. As Brabant you already have enough provinces to qualify for the Inheritance, and you're in the HRE so you don't have to fight the Emperor.
Holland is also a decent start. You can aim to get four provinces and RM Burgundy for the inheritance. Or you can do it the old fashioned way and just conquer the required provinces, hoping the Inheritance doesn't fire leading to Austria owning land you need, or you can make Burgundy give up her PUs so they are free to be conquered.
You need to own all six Dutch culture provinces. If you're not in the HRE this means fighting the Emperor. For this reason I think there are easier choices than Burgundy. Brabant is probably the easiest:
Get support from all of Burgundy's enemies
Let Burgundy release you
Get a marriage with them
Wait for the full inheritance (minus the French part)
Conquer the three remaining Dutch provinces (in 1444 belonging to Utrecht, Gelre, and Friesland)
Inheriting Burgundy's PUs from the event is quicker than Burgundy inheriting them herself. As Brabant you already have enough provinces to qualify for the Inheritance, and you're in the HRE so you don't have to fight the Emperor.
Holland is also a decent start. You can aim to get four provinces and RM Burgundy for the inheritance. Or you can do it the old fashioned way and just conquer the required provinces, hoping the Inheritance doesn't fire leading to Austria owning land you need, or you can make Burgundy give up her PUs so they are free to be conquered.
You get the option when forming a nation to take their ideas if they differ from your own
Example: forming Prussia as Brandenburg will change nothing, forming Prussia as Saxony will give the option to change to Prussia/Brandenburgian Ideas or stay with Saxon
Seeing as Brabant has German Ideas IIRC you're highly likely to be better off changing to Dutch Ideas
Okay, what you do once you won the independance war as Holland (the inheritance event seems very unreliable)
Yes, you lose every province outside of Flamish, Dutch etc.
That's why i form them either as holland or frisia etc.
Regarding ideas, forming netherlands will fire the event where you can decide to keep your old or take the new.
That's why i form them either as holland or frisia etc.
Regarding ideas, forming netherlands will fire the event where you can decide to keep your old or take the new.
I formed Netherlands as Holland. Will the Dutch revolt kick in the remaining provinces ?
Keep an eye out for chances to pounce on your neighbours, particularly the Dutch culture ones to get the required provinces. The Flemish area is also very good land, high dev, farmland, producing cloth.
No, it never happens if Netherlands is player controlled.
After forming the Netherlands keep an eye out for the "Constitutionalism and the General Estates" event which you will eventually get, to get the unique Dutch republic government form be sure to choose "Confederacy with traces of Monarchism" from the 3 options you get.
Holland is pretty easy. Your rich the entire game and you dont need to rush to form the tag . you can take the provinces piecemeal slowly over decades and have plenty of time to play around with them.