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And how exactly does that work? William has a bigger army than Harold, you can't win that way.

I've tried to survive as Harold once or twice and it seems like the only ways to win are:

1. Marry one of your sons to the Kaiser of HRE and hope they actually come to your aid before you lose.
2. Try and get them to fight eachother and hope they get worn down enough that you can pick up the scraps.
3. Hope they both die during the invasion. Harald is pretty old, so there's a good chance that he will die but William is less likely.

Basically, you have to get really lucky.
Indeed. I just tried that very method, by marrying two of my sons to the Kaiser's surviving sisters and my sister to Malcolm III. Both monarchs joined the war, but Malcolm's half-brother started a war to claim the throne of Scotland (meaning his troops quickly went home) and the Kaiser's troops turned up too late and in small groups which were of little use.

I think I'll file a bug report on this, as there's no way it can genuinely be WAD. It's an absurd setup.
 

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Well that's annoying. I tried the scenario, and failed utterly. Then I searched for how to win as Harold, and google came up with old threads about beating the Bastard before he could land his entire army. I was like "huh?" because in my game he just landed his entire army at once. Turns out they "fixed" the scenario so that it is nigh impossible to win as Harold!

They do know that he had a 3:2 advantage over the Norse, and a 4:3 over the Normans, right? And that he soundly defeated the Norse and quite likely could have won Hastings had he not received an arrow to the head? Poor Harold :(... I always felt bad for his lot in real life, being competent but unlucky, but now Paradox has decided to make him ALWAYS lose in-game too. So now I can't play his character properly.

Please fix this, paradox! Give Harold a chance!
 

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I started this thread in the bug forum on the issue but it was immediately closed, so my assumption is that the developers do not ever want Harold to win.
 

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I started this thread in the bug forum on the issue but it was immediately closed, so my assumption is that the developers do not ever want Harold to win.

The only way I have succeeded has been by pure luck, with William dropping dead. In earlier patches the Saxons could have won, but no longer. And for some reason William will not accept a surrender, which would spare the Godwin's from losing all their lands, so that even if they lost at first, they could still do a comeback.
 

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Like I said earlier.marry a younger son or two to Kaiser's sisters.let HRE win it for you like in my AAR. Only possible way for it to happen.otherwise it's 60/40.norman/Norwegian winning.
 

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In order to prove I was worthy of this challenge, I started another Godwinson campaign, which is something I haven't done since 1.06. Thanks almost entirely to an allegiance with Kaiser Heinrich via his unmarried sister, I was able to defeat William's forces after they had already marched to York. The Kaiser managed to thin Hardrade down to ~3k, but sadly an HRE independence faction was called and later his sister died, releasing him from the alliance. Harald's forces were too much for me, so I de-raised my levies and waited for them to be enough to squash him. When that time came, I managed to defeat his last major army and even captured one of his sons (he was the heir at that time but the votes changed later on). I then proceeded to sail over to Trondelag and share some of my respect with Hardrade the old fashoned way, and after a few sieges and the occasional trip back to London to de-siege two holdings he got while I was in Norway, and he surrendered.

Meanwhile, William the Bastard still hungered for a kingship title, and he decided if he couldn't have England (I had white-peaced him), he would have France, so he declared his own civil war for elective monarchy, and succeeded. A few years later, he was elected and crowned King of France. I had intended to exact vengeance against him asHarold, but alas I was maimed in battle against Harald and couldn't risk starting a war that would end on my death. Thanks to his success against both invaders and squashing the odd civil war that came up, Harold Godwinson managed to achieve the title "The Great" and became forever known in English (albeit the English never existed in this timeline) history. Sadly, Prince Godwine was slain in battle against a rebel band that emerged in Bedford, and Prince Eadmund became the next heir. He was orignally betrothed to the young girl Queen of Castille, but for political reasons he broke that betrothal and instead took a bride in the eldest daughter of the King of Scotland.

Shortly after, Eadmund ascended to the throne, and was faced with two civil wars for pretenders which he smashed easily. He quickly planned his family's revenge against the still living despicable King William of France, and in 1087, he was successful in acquiring consent to invade France from the very same Pope Alexander II who had granted permission for William to invade England. He hired the finest Swiss mercenaries, assembled an invasion fleet and declared war, choosing to strike immediately while William was still preoccupied with an independence war in Flanders. His main army landed in Rouen, and swiftly overran William's main castle-fortress, then instead of occupying the town he marched north and met William's army face-to-face. His men valiantly stood against the tyrant who had unjustly attacked his father and dishonoured the Godwinson family. And finally, an outcome was reached on January 1, 1087 at the Battle of Brugge, a time and place which would live forever in European history.






 
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I succeeded in defeating them too, but got lucky by the HRE joining my wars and by winning a battle in the beginning where I was in the minority.

This is what I did: married my son to HRE princess and called them to arms, which they accepted. I also called many other kingdoms I married, but none joined. Marched my army south, to Middlesex, where William had landed. Hired mercs using the marriage money, put the best people in charge of my army, and attacked, despite still having numerical inferiority (about 11k vs 12k). I won, and in subsequent battles destroyed William's army. After this I had about 6 or 7k left and the Norwegians had captured several provinces. But by this time the HRE had started arriving and soon we outnumbered Harald by a lot and destroyed him too. The rest was wrapping up by sieging Nantes to get William's surrender, and sieging some Norwegian provs to get Harald's.

I wonder if I could have won without the HRE's help. I noticed that by giving my son some land, I enabled raising his liege levies... although they were not very big, but maybe that's because they were still charging. Perhaps by giving more land to my son and waiting for a bit, I could have replenished my army and defeated Harald too.
 

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I always start as the duchy of Lancaster , i raise my levy and give it to the king , sometimes he wins but most of the time The Conquerer wins