Is a Asia playthrough interesting without MoH?

[kmh42]

I am thinking of a some sort of East-Asia game while waiting of Jade Dragen for CK2 but I lack MoH. I am currently not willing to buy for new DLC for EUIV. I know it is a sale but there are numerous to come and I would by all that I miss.
What is a interesting nation to play and how do I play them?

Edit: Are there good mods out there which you recommend for such a game?

 

[creativitypersonified]

India is pretty fun. Recently did a Jaunpur play through. Tons of nations to play and some cool events as well. After that there is The Japanese nations which still play pretty well without the Shinto mechanics. Hordes are fun if you have Cossacks but lame if you don't. You can also play Indonesian minors and create the greatest colonial empire the world has ever seen. Might be too easy if you don't put artificial restrictions to yourself like I do though.

 

[TenshiN]

It is, but MoH makes it so so much better, especially if playing Japan/Near Ming

 

[holyvigil]

I really enjoy playing as the Timurids if you like a challenge try that. They aren't even affected by the majority of the mandate of heaven dlc.

 

[kmh42]

India is pretty fun. Recently did a Jaunpur play through. Tons of nations to play and some cool events as well. After that there is The Japanese nations which still play pretty well without the Shinto mechanics. Hordes are fun if you have Cossacks but lame if you don't. You can also play Indonesian minors and create the greatest colonial empire the world has ever seen. Might be too easy if you don't put artificial restrictions to yourself like I do though.

thx for the suggestion

I really enjoy playing as the Timurids if you like a challenge try that. They aren't even affected by the majority of the mandate of heaven dlc.

Me too. I played them several times. But now I wait for the new patch for the awesome map changes.

 

[kmh42]

I like to play Champa. Has someone any tips for this nation or Indochina in general?https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Champa

 

[LoyalistRedcoat]

I like to play Champa. Has someone any tips for this nation or Indochina in general?

The only real tip is to become a tributary of Ming, then try try to grow to be the largest guy there. Once you're bigger than the next guy down and have Mings protection from anyone else, you can slow down and do whatever you like, colonize/trade/blob. It's the first few decades that a critical, really.

 

[creativitypersonified]

I like to play Champa. Has someone any tips for this nation or Indochina in general?

Keep high relations with your neighbors and expand into Indonesia and the pacific initially. Champa is at a disadvantage diplomatically and militarily and indochina is largely blocked of by the ayuthayan alliance network most of the time.

 

[Tom D.]

The only real tip is to become a tributary of Ming

He has no MoH though, as of the title.

 

[LoyalistRedcoat]

He has no MoH though, as of the title.

Manually allying Ming actually works better in that case. AI Korea used to do it, to great success in my pre-MoH Japan game.

 

[Dakka]

I really enjoy playing as the Timurids if you like a challenge try that. They aren't even affected by the majority of the mandate of heaven dlc.

Given the fact that Timmy is getting a pretty massive facelift in a couple weeks, it may be best to hold off until then

 

[raikaria]

I would say that Asia is more interesting WITHOUT Mandate of Heaven.

With Mandate [At least before the nerfs mentioned in another thread; where Low Mandate events happen more often; and passing a Reform will cost 70 instead of 50; making Ming VERY vulnerable after passing a reform and making said reforms slower] Asia is basically 'Pay the Ming tax which makes Ming stronger; slowly eat around Ming and then fight a really really long war against Ming due to their fort NI's and endless money.'

Manually allying Ming actually works better. AI Korea used to do it, to great success in my pre-MoH Japan game.

That's only really an option as Korea; since Ming will see you as too weak and wrong religion as pretty much anyone else; giving you too great of a malus.

That and if they don't explode as soon as you become strong enough for them to rival you; they will rival you and almost immediately come for you to kill you.

 

[estile606]

I dont have MoH, and my first and second favorite places to start are both in Asia. I would really recommend Indonesia, it has one of the few positions where naval warfare plays an important role, is a good place to try a little colonizing, has a nice trade node if you want to try to build a trade empire, and has some room for religious conflict with the Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists all in one area.

 

[kmh42]

I dont have MoH, and my first and second favorite places to start are both in Asia. I would really recommend Indonesia, it has one of the few positions where naval warfare plays an important role, is a good place to try a little colonizing, has a nice trade node if you want to try to build a trade empire, and has some room for religious conflict with the Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists all in one area.

What idea groups do you suggest?