Irritating Event Invasions
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how did you turn it off 
i want to turn it off to i mean decadence how do i turn it off (i though i quoted the post )
i want to turn it off to i mean decadence how do i turn it off (i though i quoted the post )
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Yes, Muslims get to invade where they please but if you don't play musical chairs with your land as soon as you get it and put every male in your dynasty that isn't a close relation then the lone count will pop up with armies large enough to smack down your whole domain and YES it scales, I had a really large realm and 250000 soldiers rose up from mecca to stop me, the game did NOT take into account my allies with ERE and HRE and the rulers of the land that had belonged to the fatimids (called the Igjizid sultanate currently) so I was able to actually fend them off and get a white peace...then promptly assassinate the count declare war on the next count and he didn't get his super army because my decadence was lower and that was how I retook mecca. It really is nice that paradox took the time to really make playing as a muslim feel totally different than as a christian.
wow,
decadence sure has taken over this thread...
on topic tho.
Decadence is a muslim mechanic to see how legitimate and pious your ruler is. The lower your decadence, the more respect muslims have for you. If you are too decadent, other tribes who you are governing peacefully now will revolt and try to usurp your throne though tribal invasions by attempting to take your governorship away.
Most muslim nobility consisted of tribes that had converted to islam and had nominaly been subject to the most legitimate muslim ruler (caliph). However since none of muhammed sons lived long enough to rule or procreate. The matter of who was most legitimate to rule was always in dispute.
Many tribes would nominaly be subjected to a muslim lord who had defeated them or whom they reached out to for protection. However the subjugation of these tribes is nearly always nominal. They consisted mostly of moving nomadic tribesmen with no real central authority above them except their local chiefs. They payed in tribute to the lord but this was not garantueed. Tribal chiefs and rulers would often get into disputes and the muslim lord could for the most part only rely on his own local tribe for military and political support.
So you may have control of lots of counties. That doesn't mean the local tribes in those counties are too happy with your rule. And when they revolt, they auto take the county away from you to represent their hostile take over of the area.
Historicaly, alot of muslim nomadic styled dynasties grew rapidly by nominaly subjugating other tribes and stampeding through the deserts. Usualy they became sedentary by living like kings in the cities, which angered the nomadic tribesmen who considered their king to be decadent and loose, no longer upholding the pious lifestyle of a nomad. Usualy this involved an heretical imam firing up the local tribal people into fullblown revolt and take over of the ruling family. After which the new ruling dynasty slowly settles down and becomes decadent themselves. Leading to another fullblown revolt led by another heretical imam...
And thus you see cases of 3 to 5 dynasties creating quite large kingdoms in just a span of 100 years and all falling like bricks soon after...
decadence sure has taken over this thread...
on topic tho.
Decadence is a muslim mechanic to see how legitimate and pious your ruler is. The lower your decadence, the more respect muslims have for you. If you are too decadent, other tribes who you are governing peacefully now will revolt and try to usurp your throne though tribal invasions by attempting to take your governorship away.
Most muslim nobility consisted of tribes that had converted to islam and had nominaly been subject to the most legitimate muslim ruler (caliph). However since none of muhammed sons lived long enough to rule or procreate. The matter of who was most legitimate to rule was always in dispute.
Many tribes would nominaly be subjected to a muslim lord who had defeated them or whom they reached out to for protection. However the subjugation of these tribes is nearly always nominal. They consisted mostly of moving nomadic tribesmen with no real central authority above them except their local chiefs. They payed in tribute to the lord but this was not garantueed. Tribal chiefs and rulers would often get into disputes and the muslim lord could for the most part only rely on his own local tribe for military and political support.
So you may have control of lots of counties. That doesn't mean the local tribes in those counties are too happy with your rule. And when they revolt, they auto take the county away from you to represent their hostile take over of the area.
Historicaly, alot of muslim nomadic styled dynasties grew rapidly by nominaly subjugating other tribes and stampeding through the deserts. Usualy they became sedentary by living like kings in the cities, which angered the nomadic tribesmen who considered their king to be decadent and loose, no longer upholding the pious lifestyle of a nomad. Usualy this involved an heretical imam firing up the local tribal people into fullblown revolt and take over of the ruling family. After which the new ruling dynasty slowly settles down and becomes decadent themselves. Leading to another fullblown revolt led by another heretical imam...
And thus you see cases of 3 to 5 dynasties creating quite large kingdoms in just a span of 100 years and all falling like bricks soon after...
Question: I've never actually fired up the Islam expansion (although I have it of course). How effective would it be to start Muslim, grow large quickly using their special conqust rules, and then convert to Christianity for a nice large stable empire? I'm thiking of maybe trying the Persians this way. Overtake Persia and the Middle East, swear to the Byzantines, convert to Orthodox, declare independence, form the Persian Empire, beat the Mongols.
(Plus when you convert you can instantly revoke all titles for free, making a fresh clean start with perfectly organized vassals!)
(Plus when you convert you can instantly revoke all titles for free, making a fresh clean start with perfectly organized vassals!)
If you have a high enough martial and intrigue to arrest them priorly, I guess... remember that if you don't imprison them beforehand they can say no. And even better, when you imprison, you can then banish them and eat their treasuries... might be a nice idea for a Doge equivalent, an easy couple of thousand gold.
its actually wuite easy to handle. start a new ruler, kill off family, land your sons, and once they plot you imprison them, leaving less contendors for the throne at succession. but unless you go really gamey youll basicly always have at least some war of succession, but generally its more than easy to handle due to the factt that turkish succession allows for choosing your heir.
Yep. Sons are the only restriction, so you either have to make room for them on the council or give them some land. The first is preferred, but sometimes they're quite simply too freakin' retarded to be put on the council.
I was unable to convert to Christian even though I got the event for it, I don't know if there was something weird with my game or if it was because I was a child emperor but for some reason even though it said that my tutor converted me to christian it didn't work I stayed Sunni, now the point became mute when that guy got murdered anyway but still it was quite odd.