Ironman mode still disabling itself...

[OGoby]

Maybe some of you have heard of this bug in which an ironman save at one point simply decides to disable itself and become a standard normal game? What is going on? I've had this happen to me twice now and am yet to come across an official response in the matter.

I read how this doesn't affect the achievements and people suggest to simply continue playing, but I'm fairly certain it does affect it since the cheats are now enabled.

 

[Rex Chroatorvm]

Yep, happened to my 2 games couple of days ago...

 

[Wizzington]

We've unfortunately never been able to reliably reproduce this, but we think the Ironman refactoring in 1.14 will get rid of the problem.

 

[Rex Chroatorvm]

We've unfortunately never been able to reliably reproduce this, but we think the Ironman refactoring in 1.14 will get rid of the problem.

Do you happen to know if playing it on cloud increases the risk? Mine happened on cloud, and I play all games on cloud, always on ironman, that was first time that happened to me aswell.

 

[OGoby]

We've unfortunately never been able to reliably reproduce this, but we think the Ironman refactoring in 1.14 will get rid of the problem.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Wizzington]

Do you happen to know if playing it on cloud increases the risk? Mine happened on cloud, and I play all games on cloud, always on ironman, that was first time that happened to me aswell.

It mainly seems to happen on cloud, yes. I recommend playing locally for now.

 

[zamieo]

When loading a game, ALWAYS hover the mouse over the Play button to see if it says that you CAN earn achivements. If it says that you CANNOT, then that means that you have to wait and/or reload the save. I used to suffer from losing Ironman from time-to-time, but ever since I made sure to check if I can get achievements, I've had zero issues.

 

[Rex Chroatorvm]

Thank you for answering!

 

[thissideup]

We've unfortunately never been able to reliably reproduce this, but we think the Ironman refactoring in 1.14 will get rid of the problem.

You shouldn't put it that way. Rather say "we hope 1.14 will get rid of it" or something. Otherwise people will whine.

 

[Sunspawn]

You shouldn't put it that way. Rather say "we hope 1.14 will get rid of it" or something. Otherwise people will whine.

Is there really that large a difference between "we hope" and "we think"? Sounds like you're just nitpicking.

 

[thissideup]

Is there really that large a difference between "we hope" and "we think"? Sounds like you're just nitpicking.

Yeah probably. but then again it sounded like "we did [insert action] for complete other reasons, which completely altered everything about it and although we never knew what happened, we think it will fix the issue forever". I don't know.

 

[LordPavel]

I use cloud for my first game. I lost my save.
So, I stop to use cloud, and never lost another.

When loading a game, ALWAYS hover the mouse over the Play button to see if it says that you CAN earn achivements. If it says that you CANNOT, then that means that you have to wait and/or reload the save. I used to suffer from losing Ironman from time-to-time, but ever since I made sure to check if I can get achievements, I've had zero issues.

Often, I see ''you cannot'' in red. Never have any issue.
Of course, except for my first time, but I dont remember if I have the green or the red one. So, I can only say you are wrong in my case with local save.

 

[G_Morgan]

Is there really that large a difference between "we hope" and "we think"? Sounds like you're just nitpicking.

Yes there is a huge difference between them. "We think" is "We don't fully understand the complete picture here but this should resolve it" and "We hope" is "Well I've done a lot of work in that area and the mechanics have all changed so fingers crossed it goes away".

 

[Edmon]

I believe if a formable nation gets wiped out and then rebels re-create it and it continues to exist, you can lose Ironman mode. I think it has something to do with the game thinking it's a custom nation?

This is one way it happened to me.

 

[Fryslan0109]

As bad as this bug is, I would enjoy the ability to deliberately change an iron-man save to a normal one.

 

[Sunspawn]

Yes there is a huge difference between them. "We think" is "We don't fully understand the complete picture here but this should resolve it" and "We hope" is "Well I've done a lot of work in that area and the mechanics have all changed so fingers crossed it goes away".

Except that "we think" can mean "we fiddled with it and hopefully it'll do" which can mean "we hope". Both mean that they are not sure and neither implies that they worked on it/worked on something unrelated. It's not even you reading too deeply into their words - it is literally wrong understanding of language on your side.

 

[petertel123]

I think it has something to do with the game loading the checksum, dont click on your safe before the game is done with that, if you do it wil say "cannot earn achievements" and ironman will be disabled

 

[Kwami]

Waiting for the checksum doesn't fix the problem. Waiting for the "You CAN earn achievements" string doesn't fix the problem. I waited on both of those events and still lost Ironman while playing a game. It was a cloud save, of course. So, no more cloud saves.

 

[Sunspawn]

Considering how long this has been a thing and how nearly every time it was on cloud saving, I wonder why people still use it.

 

[Kwami]

Because cloud saves are the default option. Also, there's some convenience in not worrying about saves when you switch computers, reformat a disk, etc.

Plus, the game doesn't warn you about the dangers of cloud saves. If you don't read this forum or something similar, then you probably don't even know that cloud saves behave differently from local saves with regards to bugs.