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As a troll of intermediate skill, I do believe I can see a slight flame war and/or pointless argument developing when I see it.

Let's get back to the original topic shall we?

The OT's last question was answered by a team member. They're working closely with the IC team to make the games compatible (though I'm wondering what the DH installation option on IC would do if I used it :D). As for how useful it is to get it. That's something you'd partly have to figure out for yourself. :p Take a look at the features in both games and decide if it's worth the cash to you.

It might also be prudent to wait a bit and see what other Paradoxians think of the IC game installed over DH and then decide. Though any Paradoxian worth his salt will buy it ASAP! ^^
 

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As a troll of intermediate skill, I do believe I can see a slight flame war and/or pointless argument developing when I see it.

Let's get back to the original topic shall we?

The OT's last question was answered by a team member. They're working closely with the IC team to make the games compatible (though I'm wondering what the DH installation option on IC would do if I used it :D). As for how useful it is to get it. That's something you'd partly have to figure out for yourself. :p Take a look at the features in both games and decide if it's worth the cash to you.

It might also be prudent to wait a bit and see what other Paradoxians think of the IC game installed over DH and then decide. Though any Paradoxian worth his salt will buy it ASAP! ^^

Amun Nefer...ahahahaha... Small world. We both quit erepublik and started playing paradox. Whata quincidink. Can you guess who I am?
 

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I've played Paradox for quite a long time. :p

I would guess either Gavin or cesog fillireb, could not be Aeroner. :p
 

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I've played Paradox for quite a long time. :p

I would guess either Gavin or cesog fillireb, could not be Aeroner. :p


Yup its gavin. First I noticed ur avatar, kinda Israeli flag thing then I noticed ur name and was like whoaahhh I remember him.

Anyhow on topic Ive been kinda disapointed with iron Cross thus far. It would need major overhaul before I would want to have it installed over my DH.
 

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Called it. The flag icon is not very good when you think about it, but that's V2.

I am playing it again but forgot to install the 1.01 patch. .__________. I hate to hurt anyones' feelings, but the English needs some work. I don't remember where the DH team is from, but maybe they could help out with that too?
 

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Called it. The flag icon is not very good when you think about it, but that's V2.

I am playing it again but forgot to install the 1.01 patch. .__________. I hate to hurt anyones' feelings, but the English needs some work. I don't remember where the DH team is from, but maybe they could help out with that too?
We are from all over. I, as you can see from my sig, am from the USA, but am currently in school and can't keep up with my duties as "English Grammar Nazi". I should be able to finish up with the relevant files before my deadline, but it will be close.

Even then, there will be complaints. Because I am from the USA I use American rules for grammar and spelling which might cause complaints from our friends in the UK and (to a lesser extent) Canada. For example, center not centre, caliber not calibre, color not colour, labor not labour (except when it refers to the UK Labour party...I hope), etc.
 

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Hiya! Same here! (American) :D I'm not talking about subtleties though mate. :X Use the British ones they make you look cooler. :p I don't mean like grammar nazi stuff. :p As a Jew (which totally gives me leeway to abuse in reference to such things for purposes of humor >:3) it scares wittle old me. :p j/k j/k. I do hate people like that though. Here's what I mean about the English.

If you want me to be brutally honest about Iron Cross. This will sound very rude, but if you have played the game at length you will see what I mean. There are some downright horrific mistakes that either look ridiculous or make what is being said hard or impossible to understand. It's mostly in event things and such, but playing 1.01 I see they have made improvements and it's definitely better. I don't mind the few mistakes I see in Kaiserreich (which when merged with DH should create epic pwnage beyond anything seen in HoI2 before (saying a lot, I know)), but a lot of it is quite frankly embarassing.

Despite what other people say though, I think Iron Cross has a great setup and I love the game so far, especially the events. It's just that I want to make sure I get everything they're saying.

I really apologise to any member of the Iron Cross team who might read this, but you need someone who is fluent in Spanish and is preferably a native English speaker. Just promise them a spot in the credits and they'd probably love to help. Then again, any Paradoxian should want to do that regardless of credit so as to improve the games. I do realise from looking at the description things that is a bit of a pain in the ass, but it makes the finished product look so much cooler. :X

Edit: Oh yeah, thanks for your hardwork on the game, especially with your school activities. :) It is very good that you are putting in effort to make something for many people to enjoy, but mind it doesn't get in the way of your studies, that would be not so good. :p

Yet Another Edit: My-my, it seems like there's been a huge improvement. At least in the new '33 to '34 events. Very few mistakes and none really bad at all so far. Nice work you guys. :D
 
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If you want to play IC with Aod, then warning there are still some bad compability bugs.
If you want to play IC without AoD then wait for DH.

I'm not sure if you read the quoted post so I put it again:
I know what is in the Dev Diaries obviously.
You dont know what is in the game obviously.

I played it, a demo, but I played it and they havent shown half of the awesomeness yet.
 

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Amun Nefer, the DH team is not responsible for IC. It's well known that the English in IC is atrocious, but this isn't the fault of the DH team.


I know what is in the Dev Diaries obviously. And I think not being in the team allows me to have a much more objective opinion.

Agreed.

Also, I've noticed that quite a few on the DH team/beta testing group haven't played AoD a lot. Some of them haven't even touched it! This may lead to false opinions on AoD and underestimation of the new mechanics that game already introduced.
 

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Agreed with Fulmen. Nuff' said.
 

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Amun Nefer, the DH team is not responsible for IC. It's well known that the English in IC is atrocious, but this isn't the fault of the DH team.




Agreed.

Also, I've noticed that quite a few on the DH team/beta testing group haven't played AoD a lot. Some of them haven't even touched it! This may lead to false opinions on AoD and underestimation of the new mechanics that game already introduced.

You misunderstand. I wanted to make sure that we would have good English in DH. I wasn't assuming that you guys have any control over IC or that the English was their fault, lol. I probably should have made that crystal clear rather than just implying and making y'all think I did believe that (which is silly itself, lol). :p I asked where they are from because I knew that Irshappa is a Spanish group and I guess lack any native English speakers (apologies if this is incorrect). I am glad to find out that they are from all over so the final product should be good with regard to text.

As well as being a Paradoxian I want to make sure of what I'm buying, because remember you're not just making a mod, you're making a product that will be sold to the masses and will contribute to the greater body of Paradox games. :) Not saying of course that I have not heard that this will be the best thing to happen to HoI2 ofc.

I really think that is a mistake for them not to look at AoD, it's great from what I have seen, then again I always play it with the IC modification. I particularly like the three idea which are taken from earlier games, those I know are in AoD vanilla.

Edit and off-topic: Oh I love Finland, my dog from BC, Canada is actually a Finnish Spitz, lol, and ofc you guys have awesome archaeology. :)
 

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You dont know what is in the game obviously.

I played it, a demo, but I played it and they havent shown half of the awesomeness yet.

You know - no offense meant - but every time there is a new game that is being developped here, the forums are full of hype about how that game will be "awesome". There are so much posts about "awesomeness" that you almost want to throw up. And then the game comes out, people rush to buy it and then...magically the whole thing goes down and there's barely anything on the forums beside rants. So you can do what you want, but as far as I am concerned I will restrain myself from speaking of "awesomeness" before the game comes out, and rather focus on the obvious flaws that can already be spotted with regard to the dev diaries, NO need to play the game to see them.
 

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I really think that is a mistake for them not to look at AoD, it's great from what I have seen, then again I always play it with the IC modification. I particularly like the three idea which are taken from earlier games, those I know are in AoD vanilla.

Edit and off-topic: Oh I love Finland, my dog from BC, Canada is actually a Finnish Spitz, lol, and ofc you guys have awesome archaeology. :)

It is. Personally I play AoD with CORE. I tried it with IC and didn't like it at all. I know they've patched IC since but from what I've read on the forums it's still far from finished. Maybe I'll give it a shot again in the distant future.

Hah, thanks. The Finnish Spitz is an awesome breed. :D

You know - no offense meant - but every time there is a new game that is being developped here, the forums are full of hype about how that game will be "awesome". There are so much posts about "awesomeness" that you almost want to throw up. And then the game comes out, people rush to buy it and then...magically the whole thing goes down and there's barely anything on the forums beside rants. So you can do what you want, but as far as I am concerned I will restrain myself from speaking of "awesomeness" before the game comes out, and rather focus on the obvious flaws that can already be spotted with regard to the dev diaries, NO need to play the game to see them.

Agreed. Remember what happened with HoI3? Hype, hype, hype, release and everything came crashing down!

And let's just say I too have access to something similar you've played, JRHINDO, and I wasn't too impressed. It's like half of the realistic improvements from AoD have gone ignored by DH.
 

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The 1.01 modifications made '33 - '34 divine. So many possibilities. You can annex Austria almost right off the bat if you are Germany. :p I've not tried CORE yet....

HoI3 is only saved by the HPP mod, though in that case, people were expecting it to improve upon HoI2, somewhere things went horribly wrong. :p Vicky 2 is another example. That game needs serious fixing and it saddens me they haven't done that yet. ;_; Hopefully the DH game will still be good, so long as they pay attention to what everyone wants and test everything out. :p I don't like this idea of things from AoD being left out ;-;
 

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You know - no offense meant - but every time there is a new game that is being developped here, the forums are full of hype about how that game will be "awesome". There are so much posts about "awesomeness" that you almost want to throw up. And then the game comes out, people rush to buy it and then...magically the whole thing goes down and there's barely anything on the forums beside rants. So you can do what you want, but as far as I am concerned I will restrain myself from speaking of "awesomeness" before the game comes out, and rather focus on the obvious flaws that can already be spotted with regard to the dev diaries, NO need to play the game to see them.
What are the flaws in the dev diaries you speak of?
 

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I already mentioned them in on the first posts I made in this thread... Basically the main flaw is the lack of any significant hardcoded improvement to the game. When there were AoD dev diaries, every time they were speaking about a new feature. What do we have here? (bold comments mine)

Development Diary #1 - Introduction to Darkest Hour PR
Development Diary #2 - Darkest Hour Maps softcoded modifications + modding suppor
Development Diary #3 - Spying System UI improvements
Development Diary #4 - Implementing Modifications Modding support and nothing really revolutionary
Development Diary #5 - Claims New feature #1, of questionable realism and utility
Development Diary #6 - It's Your Decision New feature #2, but does hardly add anything to the events system
Development Diary #7 - Missions, Interface and Leader Traits UI improvements
Development Diary #8 - Improved Interface Part 1 UI improvements
Development Diary #9 - Questions & Answers Session Part 1 PR
Development Diary #10 - Improved Interface Part 2 UI improvements
Development Diary #11 - Modding with Darkest Hour Part 1
Development Diary #12 - Modding with Darkest Hour Part 2
Development Diary #13 - Modding with Darkest Hour Part 3
Development Diary #14 - Modding with Darkest Hour Part 4 ...you get the idea
Development Diary #15 - Questions & Answers Session Part 2 PR
Development Diary #16 - Trade & Stockpile Systems New feature #3, implemented in such a retarded way that it adds nothing events couldn't handle, + UI improvements

nuff said.
 

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I cant conquer france as Germany in IC AoD. France is like overpowered and Germany Invading USSR is even more impossible with all those territories now. I like how its harder but not realistically hard. Theyll tell you to "Change your strategies" but thats not cutting it. Also Amun you mention early anchluss with Austria that only happens if you agree to open war with Yugo and Italy and at that time germany isnt ready... at all so basically a useless event chain imo. You could just declare war on them and get Italy and Yugo involved via guarantees no need for a event chain.
 

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I am about to pwn France as Germany actually. :p

It depends on whether you have them accept the idea of supporting Austria, there's a slight chance they won't though. Events make everything more fun.

There is a whole thread about balance issues in the Iron Cross forum btw. It's called game is broken or some such thing.
 

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Are you cutting through the low countries? First try I went historical with invasions through Holland and Belgium/Luxembourg. The french out of no where where bringing it stacks of 10 10 10 10 10 one after another mostly mix infantry and armor. I crushed the Dutch and Belgians but they actually started to encircle my forces around the maginot line so i gave up. Now im trying only with Belgium and Luxembourg and just skipping holland.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I didnt split poland with USSR and it took my longer to redeploy my troops to the french border and gave them more chance to mobilize?

Italy went to war with them too and the French had enough forces to fight two fronts and push the Italians all the way to Milan before the front stabilized.

Weird.