Hello;
I want to think that is not again about my english expression.
I've just realized that "appreciations" is a galicism. OK, but the jog stops here, mon pote
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Hello;
I want to think that is not again about my english expression.
I've just realized that "appreciations" is a galicism. OK, but the jog stops here, mon pote
Well done, let Them sit and drink Champaign.
I prefer to shake Them , not Them to shake champaign, othervise we will not get what we wanted(what we payed for).
The era of anfinished half-products must end here and now.
No pasaran!Only quality and polished product passes.
On behalf of me and immersion players,they have fiew days to fix major issues,after that Hasta la Vista ,baby.
I recomend you to go to HOI3 forum and open a thread with this very same title((just change Iron Cross for HOI3)). Lets see how long it remains open and how long till you get banned.
My point, its fair to critic, but some people are here screaming "Bloooood for tha Bloooood goooood!!! and skulls for the throne of Khorne", trolling, going full drama queen, etc, only cose their is not sound of the Banhammer hitting the Anvil.
Hello;
I want to think that is not again about my english expression.
I've just realized that "appreciations" is a galicism. OK, but the jog stops here, mon pote
I have proud Gallic blood in me too,which is evident from my struggle with English .
I just used your to obviously over-repeated hello; as a repelent to the bloodhound from the previous post.
As about your game, I am sorry,I am just honest.That is my perspective.
Why are you people didnt take another month or two and finish it?
Do you know how many people lost job in my France just this month becouse their products were just slightly worse than standard?Is it fair from you to deliver same thing and expect honor?
However, there is enough hard words for this day and even more days to come.I will not post critic on this addon anymore,you have my word.
Still,try to fix it guys,this is game,but it is allso life and bussines now,and both are not game, but serrious things.
EDIT-one reason allso why my critique tongue will not touch Iron Cross anymore is the reason of Justice.
As noted above,On HOI III forum I will be banned for this.I have no right to exploit freedom of speech here on your niche and your innability to harm me like oficial Paradoxians could.
Justice must be fulfilled, at least I am teached so.
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For canarias:
I was not mocking your bad english at all. My comment was directed towards Saint-Exupéry for as I read it "Bashing you for the incomplete game". If I am wrong I will be first to admit it.
Saint-Exupéry was giving you all an ulitimatum to fix it in a few days or he/she would be gone. These are the people that just whine about everything that they feel is not complete. MOST games out of the box or off the production line are gonna have bugs, issues, whatever. For people to expect perfection, well those people need to look in the mirror first and then re-evaluate what they see FIRST. Society is not perfect never has been never will be, so those that are taking jabs at how bad this game is after day 2, need to take lighten up. Its not like you paid 15,000 dollars for a car that is a lemon, its a game it can be fixed and will.
I hate impatient people they are the downside of society. They want INSTANT gratification, its not plausible!
I was not mocking your bad english at all. My comment was directed towards Saint-Exupéry for as I read it "Bashing you for the incomplete game". If I am wrong I will be first to admit it.
Saint-Exupéry was giving you all an ulitimatum to fix it in a few days or he/she would be gone. These are the people that just whine about everything that they feel is not complete. MOST games out of the box or off the production line are gonna have bugs, issues, whatever. For people to expect perfection, well those people need to look in the mirror first and then re-evaluate what they see FIRST. Society is not perfect never has been never will be, so those that are taking jabs at how bad this game is after day 2, need to take lighten up. Its not like you paid 15,000 dollars for a car that is a lemon, its a game it can be fixed and will.
I hate impatient people they are the downside of society. They want INSTANT gratification, its not plausible!
the problem is, that people have a reasonable expectataion that the game should at least be playable, and Iron Cross is still a long way from that point.
even if we put aside the translation and the layout of the tech tree the OOB is shot to pieces. can someone explain why RAF Bomber Command starts off based in some random french province? or why all the captital ships are missing their attachments (including CVs without CAGs)?
Iron Cross is shot through with these kinds of mistakes that become instantly obviously the second you load up a scenario, its as though the game was never playtested once - i can't think of any other way the devs could have missed this sort of stuff.
The model names are completely whacked. They frequently don't match their interface pics, nor is their any real correspondence between the tech level at which different models become available and real life (as their is in vanilla). Many model names are actually ficticious, or swap names to wrong units types e.g. the UK can build Colossus class battleships - IRL the Collosus class were light carriers.
Many techs, particularly in the naval and industrial trees have completely illogical effects. This and the last point are real bummers for the total immersion players.
I mean, can anyone explain how researching 380mm naval guns gives instant attack upgrades to all your heavy cruisers. Even if CAs carried that sort of armament, they would need to go in for refit to benefit. And if you need to research it (implying you didn't have it before) - how come you can build BBs without it. Industrial techs that gift you with fixed amounts of raw materials are also pretty goofy. How do better mining techniques give a country with no mining operations free resources? and shouldn't a country with heaps of production get more than a country with a small amount. Instead iron cross gives them the same lump sum for researching this tech.
even if we put aside the translation and the layout of the tech tree the OOB is shot to pieces. can someone explain why RAF Bomber Command starts off based in some random french province? or why all the captital ships are missing their attachments (including CVs without CAGs)?
Iron Cross is shot through with these kinds of mistakes that become instantly obviously the second you load up a scenario, its as though the game was never playtested once - i can't think of any other way the devs could have missed this sort of stuff.
The model names are completely whacked. They frequently don't match their interface pics, nor is their any real correspondence between the tech level at which different models become available and real life (as their is in vanilla). Many model names are actually ficticious, or swap names to wrong units types e.g. the UK can build Colossus class battleships - IRL the Collosus class were light carriers.
Many techs, particularly in the naval and industrial trees have completely illogical effects. This and the last point are real bummers for the total immersion players.
I mean, can anyone explain how researching 380mm naval guns gives instant attack upgrades to all your heavy cruisers. Even if CAs carried that sort of armament, they would need to go in for refit to benefit. And if you need to research it (implying you didn't have it before) - how come you can build BBs without it. Industrial techs that gift you with fixed amounts of raw materials are also pretty goofy. How do better mining techniques give a country with no mining operations free resources? and shouldn't a country with heaps of production get more than a country with a small amount. Instead iron cross gives them the same lump sum for researching this tech.
Hello; ( because in Spain, we salute the people when we meet them)
First of all, released date it is not a decision of the developpers, it's a publisher's decision. The announce by mail to the members of the team was just one minute before the release in the forums
Yes I know, how many people losts his jobs in France now. I've family in the Champagne. But I did not understand your refernces about the honour
.Don't give me lessons about life, please
. I know it very well after being for a year in a war zone and other experiences of my life. Business aren't unknown for me too, but the language is a bit different.And be sure: you can be banned
Ah, I forget; "No pasarán" was not an original spanish sentence. When Pasionaria pronounces this words, she was copying Pétain's sentence at Verdun: "Ils ne passeront pas".
A lot of emoticons have been added to prove you that I'm not angry at all, just surprised by the personal word attacks.
To tigeriii : don't worry, I know.
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I, personally, have enjoyed this game immensely. I do look forward to patches and bug fixes though.
I bought it yesterday and so far, I have had more fun with it than I have had with HOI3 in more than a year. Oh, and by 1/5th of the price I paid for HOI3. IMO is fair to criticize a product you paid for, if it was not up to your expectations ((if they were realistic ones)), but IMO some of you should review their level of criticism and bitterness
Being better than HOI3 really is nothing to write home about. I didn't even have to play IC to have more fun with it than with HOI3, just reading these forums was good enough for that
And for an immersive player like me, the apalling english and the glaring mistakes in the OOBs are not minor issues like some of you "fanbois" make them, but gamebreaking things. To release a product in this kind of state is rather impudent imho. Not saying there is no hope to salvage this, but I don't wanna yet again pay money for some game in hopes that patches will eventually fix it (yeah, I DID buy Civ5 on release day :/ ).
Just because everyone presents shoddy beta versions on release these days doesn't make the practise and less despicable.
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Being better than HOI3 really is nothing to write home about. I didn't even have to play IC to have more fun with it than with HOI3, just reading these forums was good enough for that
And for an immersive player like me, the apalling english and the glaring mistakes in the OOBs are not minor iussues like some of you "fanbois" make them, but gamebreaking things. To release a product in this kind of state is rather impudent imho. Not saying there is no hope to salvage this, but I don't wanna yet again pay money for some game in hopes that patches will eventually fix it (yeah, I DID buy Civ5 on release day :/ ).
Just because everyone presents shoddy beta versions on release these days doesn't make the practise and less despicable.
launching the game it decided by pdx, released date it is not a decision of the developpers and we are working to improve. We would like to have your support for the future especially in the language translation
Being better than HOI3 really is nothing to write home about. I didn't even have to play IC to have more fun with it than with HOI3, just reading these forums was good enough for that
And for an immersive player like me, the apalling english and the glaring mistakes in the OOBs are not minor iussues like some of you "fanbois" make them, but gamebreaking things. To release a product in this kind of state is rather impudent imho. Not saying there is no hope to salvage this, but I don't wanna yet again pay money for some game in hopes that patches will eventually fix it (yeah, I DID buy Civ5 on release day :/ ).
Just because everyone presents shoddy beta versions on release these days doesn't make the practise and less despicable.
Fanboy, LOL
Kid, If you want to know what a Fanboy is, I suggest you go to HOI3 forum to find some of those. Im only reminding people around here that they should be fair. The level of bitterness some people is venting here is IMO consecuence of their level of frustration with PI game releasing policy ((Beign myself a critic of their latest bussiness methods and pay per patch. I understand you)). But lets be fair, think before posting, and dont post anything you wouldnt dare to post in HOI3 forum because reasonable fear of getting banned.
Lynching IC staff because a piss poor EnGriSh translation, some OOB mistakes and some bugs is a bit too much IMO. Beign this their first release ((still waaaay better than your usual PI release at v 1.00)), I wouldnt be that hard on them as I would be with another developer with tens of releases on their backs, who makes a game that remains largely broken and unplayable +1 year after release.
The poor EnGRiSh is not a gamebreaking issue, of course it is an annoyance and shows a level of amateurishment ((hope they hire a professional this time)). The Ships missing their brigades, nonsense OOB´s and other things are probably a consequence of a rushed delivery, easily fixable and that would probably be dealt with in the first patch.
Im enjoying the game a lot so far, in EnGRisH of course,LOL
First of all, giving proper criticism like in this thread, is showing respect towards the game, and the developers. And people do it because THEY CARE about the game. When will people get this?
CONTRIBUTE? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Its exactly what he is doing, he is mentioning things that should be changed and fixed.
I just can't believe what you are writing. People really need to understand what constructive criticism is all about. Its about respect. Putting your head in the sand and say things like - its fine, it will be fine after a few patches, stop whining etc is disrespectful and not helpful at all. THAT IS NOT CONTRIBUTING. Because you offer no opinion, or suggestion to what should and could be improved.
Yes I'll admit he's coming off a bit strong with the disaster, but I think the comment about saving your money is fine, when there are so many things to fix. Better hold off until its a "proper" release aka patched up nicely.
I am sorry for being so harsh, but I really despise people who have nothing to add except stfu with the "whining". Its dumb, and pointless. If you have nothing to offer then better keep your mouth shut.
The scope of IC is a lot more limited than most Paradox releases, you can't really say that IC is at v1.0 is better than most Paradox releases at v1.0. IC is comparable to the Doomsday or Arma expansions, and those were both relatively bug free.
Maybe a list of things that are definitely broken would be good.
For me that would be (and im sure im forgetting things) in no particular order
-Techtree problems (especially mining, torpedoboat like errors (these things actually make your destroyers more visible), as well as layout)
-Picture problems (it seems like they just left the old ones in and didn't take into account that they put new ones in and change the order)
-Engrish (i even offer to do proofreading, provided i get paid 9,99 $)
-non sensical or not working events (i mentioned the Z-Plan and the Rearmament events)
-Ministers and Tech teams not configured for games beginning before 1936
-Wrong or nonsensical provinces(wrong placement for quite a few german provinces, Luxemburg to big, Rügen no Island,etc.) , general carelessness as far as the provinces go (Paris for example is one of those 'empty' provinces, which is a minor put off, nicest solution would be if the ressources and ICs were equally spread around, as it is now, there provinces you can lose with no ill effect... actually quite a lot of them)
-Provinces to unit to IC relation. It seems to me many units are more expensive then before while there is a lot more ground to cover with them. In France and Poland i had so far only minor problems, but i don't even know how Russia will be.
-Runs quite a bit slower than Armaggedon alone.
For me that would be (and im sure im forgetting things) in no particular order
-Techtree problems (especially mining, torpedoboat like errors (these things actually make your destroyers more visible), as well as layout)
-Picture problems (it seems like they just left the old ones in and didn't take into account that they put new ones in and change the order)
-Engrish (i even offer to do proofreading, provided i get paid 9,99 $)
-non sensical or not working events (i mentioned the Z-Plan and the Rearmament events)
-Ministers and Tech teams not configured for games beginning before 1936
-Wrong or nonsensical provinces(wrong placement for quite a few german provinces, Luxemburg to big, Rügen no Island,etc.) , general carelessness as far as the provinces go (Paris for example is one of those 'empty' provinces, which is a minor put off, nicest solution would be if the ressources and ICs were equally spread around, as it is now, there provinces you can lose with no ill effect... actually quite a lot of them)
-Provinces to unit to IC relation. It seems to me many units are more expensive then before while there is a lot more ground to cover with them. In France and Poland i had so far only minor problems, but i don't even know how Russia will be.
-Runs quite a bit slower than Armaggedon alone.
"Released early" ?
eh, we got told it was finished at the start of the summer, I said they could have 3 more months, just give me the final files at october 1st.
You're not doing any better, buddy.
I could go on and on about how the OP isn't really helping as much as annoying what with the utter lack of suggestions in favour of blind yelling (with every problem he highlights being already under discussion in other threads), but really, that's not a real issue, it's the whole tone of the post (and others after it) that's completely unnecessary. HURR DURR NOONE BUY THIS PRODUCT HURR DURR WHAT YOU SAY I'M POSTING ON THE PRODUCT'S OWN WEBPAGE HURR DURR WELL I'D BETTER LACE UP MY POST WITH SOME INSULTS TOO.
Secondly, "don't buy it" is a rather one-dimensional sentence. That is, do not, in any time or under any circumstance, purchase this product. You can say "needs work" or "has problems that need fixed". But the current wording is in no way advocating people to "hold off until a patch is given", which is really a rather silly attitude anyway - you might as well buy it now and either contribute personally, whether publically via forums or just tweaking your own copy, if you will have the problems fixed at some stage (as in patch) anyway. I wouldn't mind one bit if a mod would just nuke the thread because it is saying that people should not purchase the product which actually funds the very forums they're on. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, would be the expression. I've used much more fierce words in regards to IC on other forums, but I am reserved over here, because this place belongs to the lads that made the game rather than being an independet review site or anything of that variety.
Besides, it's rather obvious that one does not "care" about the game when calling it a "disaster", "piece of junk" or anything of that nature.
Shouldn't i get money for that?
I mean if i do Developers work, shouldn't i get payed as one?
I say this thread is important because it happens the other way around.
I am the hand that feeds. Paradox has made quite a nice amount of money of me and i dare say that means i keep this forum running.
And so i should let Paradox and everybody know, if i feel bitten, right?
I went from "Great an add-on for Hearts of Iron 2" to "Yeah, they creamed me pretty good".
I will in the future not buy Paradox products first thing when they came out, as i did with Victoria 2 or Iron Cross.
That means because of this Paradox will suffer, because that is one guaranteed sell less, a little bit of calculability (that even a word) gone. Enough do that, Paradox will die.
As will this forum, as will the games.
Forum dwellers often forget that they do not constituted a majority. OFten they don't even get past 10%.
We, the silent people, who come only here to complain, we pay for your games and your forum. And i daresay what we have to say is important. Even it is just mumbling and grumbling that somethings wrong.
Is it necessary to give such a big sacrifice to the Great God of Pointless, Unimportant and Useless Internet Conversations (possibly Khorne)?
Does the Iron Cross have problems?
Yes.
Are the developers working on them?
Yes.
That's all. Who doesn't like this game, won't buy it, who likes it, will buy it. The game will be patched, it will be better, hopefully all problems will be solved. You can't push a "delete" button, and erase all information about Iron Cross, saying "Huh, it was a bad dream. Now my soul is calm." Don't like it, ignore it. Simply. Do not spam and annoy the others. Thx.
Does the Iron Cross have problems?
Yes.
Are the developers working on them?
Yes.
That's all. Who doesn't like this game, won't buy it, who likes it, will buy it. The game will be patched, it will be better, hopefully all problems will be solved. You can't push a "delete" button, and erase all information about Iron Cross, saying "Huh, it was a bad dream. Now my soul is calm." Don't like it, ignore it. Simply. Do not spam and annoy the others. Thx.
And if i already bought it?
Do i get the money back if i erase it together with my memories?
No.
I don't.
I gave Paradox 10 perfectly functional dollars and they promised me a functional game for that.
They did not keep their promise.
Which leaves me with two or rather three options:
1. Money back. I am well out of it, Carve emptor and all that and will properly never bother again to buy anything Paradox unless it is thoroughly vouched.
2. Forget it. Just see the 10$ as a gift to the universe, or for you and quaazi, so your forums keep running.
or
3. Complain til they satisfy their promise.
And thats what i am choosing.
If theres nothing better in a month i can still choose 1. or 2. but for now im sticking with hope.
Do i get the money back if i erase it together with my memories?
No.
I don't.
I gave Paradox 10 perfectly functional dollars and they promised me a functional game for that.
They did not keep their promise.
Which leaves me with two or rather three options:
1. Money back. I am well out of it, Carve emptor and all that and will properly never bother again to buy anything Paradox unless it is thoroughly vouched.
2. Forget it. Just see the 10$ as a gift to the universe, or for you and quaazi, so your forums keep running.
or
3. Complain til they satisfy their promise.
And thats what i am choosing.
If theres nothing better in a month i can still choose 1. or 2. but for now im sticking with hope.
Should've picked an option with a refund then. Your problem, not mine. I'm enjoying the game too much to give a damn about how that 10 bucks could've bought you a bottle of vodka you could get shitfaced with.