One thing I've noticed, playing in the 867 start (SWMH, PB, Viet, etc.) is that the King starts vassalising basically everyone in Ireland, thus consolidating what should be a highly fractured realm quickly and peacefully.
Irish Vassalisation Spree?
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I'm not a dev but this has been reported, several fixes have been suggested, and it will probably be fixed in a soon-ish update.
I can say as a player its harder. No one accepted vassalage until the only ones left were the three that make up The Duchy of Muenster. Took me about 75/100 years (can't quite recall) in my current game.
Not even six years in this game and everyone was vassalised or conquered. :rofl:
OMG. I'm new to this game but that's downright ridiculous. Btw, did you custom name Ireland? Or is that a SMHW thing?
SWMH, native localisation.
And I'm Halfdan over in Jorvik (also mildly annoyed at the guy in charge of Mercia for losing against a revolt and somehow cancelling my conquest war. Jerk), so that is entirely the AI.
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Aasmul, SWMH lead, confirmed to me a few days ago that he will be creating a proper titular High King title for the character in question to hold in Ireland. Currently, he is holding the Irish kingdom title de jure, which means that he has not only a de jure county claim CB on every county on the isle but also the ability to peacefully offer vassalization to all of the Overkings.
In any case, if the situation is still the same in a month or so, I'll release code that just destroys the title by event upon startup.
In any case, if the situation is still the same in a month or so, I'll release code that just destroys the title by event upon startup.
I really don't know that must about the history of Ireland, but as far as I know, the King was pretty much just a name and no one was really united at all.
Regardless of how historical is is or isn't, it's terrible for gameplay and this fixes it:
Go into Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod\Historical Immersion Project\history\titles and find k_ireland.txt
Delete every entry past 861, and change the 861 to holder=0 with no name.
Final should look like this:
Regardless of how historical is is or isn't, it's terrible for gameplay and this fixes it:
Go into Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod\Historical Immersion Project\history\titles and find k_ireland.txt
Delete every entry past 861, and change the 861 to holder=0 with no name.
Final should look like this:
Code:
846.1.1={
holder=131501 # Máel Sechnaill mac Máele Ruanaid
law = succ_gavelkind
law = cognatic_succession
law = investiture_law_1
}
861.2.5={
holder=0
}I was generally doing this even at the 1066 start , manually- by giving the title to the King of Denmark, destroying it, and releasing the one existing vassal. However, it was creating too artificially weird happenings in Ireland, e.g. most of the time it became part of somewhere else, like Navarre, Leon or Brittany which I didn't like.
I think the idea of it being de jure title is sound, just no-one should initially hold it. It should take a strong leader to unite the isle- unfortunately the ai needs an immense amount of luck for this to happen without the title in the first place...
Titular Titles: actually solving things for once?
Doesn't titular titles have the drawback, that it will limit the number of eligible candidates. It tends to stay with the current holder's dynasty, having it as a de jure title might solve this. However that won't solve the vassalization spree; in other words there's no perfect solution.
The titular title means nothing but a slight monthly prestige bonus to the "High King" and paying some historical homage. The de jure title always exists. It's a question of whether it's held. In this case, it would not be held by anyone (yet). Titular title or just plain no special title, it's a perfect solution to the observed problem to have no ruler hold the de jure title from start.
I don't understand why the Titular Title hasn't been implemented yet. This has been talked about for awhile now.
because not everybody agrees with it and it also has its flaws... and fix for it is out for quite a while already, for those who are really interested.
Because while the players might have agreed on what they think should be done, the team usually discusses the options to solve a problem a lot longer
I think that AI vassalization of the island as quickly as people are experiencing is a bigger problem than one family monopolizing the Titular Title. It is not a perfect solution i agree, but it is better than the current setup imo.
Couldn't you must make a custom CB that allows any sufficiently powerful Irish ruler able to "Claim the High Kingship of Ireland" or some such? Seems an easy way to stop the family monopoly problem.
[Assuming the title held by the historical High King was titular and meaningless...] Why don't you just stomp him with regular CBs, become de jure King of Ireland, and let his stupid titular title fall to the tides of history?
Oh, I wasn't thinking about the player, I was thinking about the AI. Historically, the prestige associated with the title of High King meant that it ended up being a pretty consistent source of tension between regional powers.
I started a TOG Ireland game last night. I couldn't vassalize anyone immediately so I attacked one of the smaller neighbors. Over the course of 6-8 years I vassalized the majority of the isle, with the northwest region and one of the middle ones holding out. Even with most of Ireland, I was crushed in a war with whatever the Norse ruler is that borders Scotland on the west, who had called Jorvik (and his 10k army) into the war. My max army size is like 3k, and even with my allies in two of the Karlings, evidently we were no match for the vikings.
Despite accuracy, I really don't think the High Kingdom of Ireland is an issue. There are always powerful factions anyway, so IMO that's fine enough to simulate disunity. CK2 is ahistorical anyway.
Despite accuracy, I really don't think the High Kingdom of Ireland is an issue. There are always powerful factions anyway, so IMO that's fine enough to simulate disunity. CK2 is ahistorical anyway.