I thought I read a note somewhere that said that 1.05 included intra-realm fighting? I attempted to start a war within my Lord's empire, but it didn't work. It made me somewhat sad. I think that would make a HUGE benefit to the game.
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Pikeman85 said:
I agree 100%. You should be able to have squabbles within a kingdom.
Technically, it's already there as it depends on your law.
In previous betas it was programmed so that the Liege's probability to declare war changes depending on the custom law, to allow some leeway for private wars. However, since a Liege is also allied to one (or two) vassals the Liege always declare war and intervene on one side, thus I've never seen the Liege not declare war on a vassal against another.
In previous betas it was programmed so that the Liege's probability to declare war changes depending on the custom law, to allow some leeway for private wars. However, since a Liege is also allied to one (or two) vassals the Liege always declare war and intervene on one side, thus I've never seen the Liege not declare war on a vassal against another.
Well, in my 1066 game both Croatia and Germany splintered in a mass-brawl within 20 years. Caused by both rulers being excommunicated mainly.
The way it works now, your king always picks sides in intra-realm wars. There should be some possibility (insert your modifier variables here) for king just to observe.
I would like to see some more changes which would complement this idea:
Count/duke needs approval of his liege to declare war outside of the realm (including non-christians). Independent counts/dukes (and other compatible) are an exception to this rule. With this mechanism lieges would not be drawn into a conflict they are not ready for. Note that, for this to work, intra-realm wars have to be changed.
Maybe, just maybe, during Crusades counts could declare war on a higher status rulers (equivalent of duke) and dukes on equivalent of king. Of course the target should be non-christian.
I would like to see some more changes which would complement this idea:
Count/duke needs approval of his liege to declare war outside of the realm (including non-christians). Independent counts/dukes (and other compatible) are an exception to this rule. With this mechanism lieges would not be drawn into a conflict they are not ready for. Note that, for this to work, intra-realm wars have to be changed.
Maybe, just maybe, during Crusades counts could declare war on a higher status rulers (equivalent of duke) and dukes on equivalent of king. Of course the target should be non-christian.
Well then perhaps the you should not be able to pledge to make alliances with its vassals if that's the cause.Drakken said:
But also under feudal law you should not be able to interfer under any circumstance without a serious hit to BB (i mean serious enough even human rulers would second guess themselves).
It's really annoying when you're the small Kingdom of Leon and some stupid Count, vassal of yours, declares war on France :?
KaiserChicken said:
Just let your count fight on his own then, no need to help him, since you know you will lose against France, better lose one county then your kingdom.
Veldmaarschalk said:Just let your count fight on his own then, no need to help him, since you know you will lose against France, better lose one county then your kingdom.
Yes, I know, but it's annoying to loose a County anyway, more when you're already a small Kingdom
Interkingdom war would be great. Without becomming an independant thats being killed by your liege ofcourse.
I've always wondered why it wasn't possible.
Someone said it was possible with some laws, which would that be? And is it completely broken or does it work sometimes?
I've always wondered why it wasn't possible.
Someone said it was possible with some laws, which would that be? And is it completely broken or does it work sometimes?
If I understand the situation correctly, lieges under the Feudal Contract law are less likely to become involved in inter-realm disputes. I've not played with the new semi-final patch, so I won't comment for certain.
The ideal situation, as Jinnai has said many, many times previously, is for Kings under the Feudal Contract law to be severely penalised (or plain unable) to intervene in inter-realm conflicts between their vassals. Likewise, the Royal Prerogative should make bullying tactics against your vassals far more straightforward and far less BB increasing.
The laws already have their positive and negative sides respectively - implementing this would, IMO, redress the balance a bit better...and give non-liege players under a feudal contract system some real opportunity to create havoc.
The ideal situation, as Jinnai has said many, many times previously, is for Kings under the Feudal Contract law to be severely penalised (or plain unable) to intervene in inter-realm conflicts between their vassals. Likewise, the Royal Prerogative should make bullying tactics against your vassals far more straightforward and far less BB increasing.
The laws already have their positive and negative sides respectively - implementing this would, IMO, redress the balance a bit better...and give non-liege players under a feudal contract system some real opportunity to create havoc.
I hope that private war will be a priority of the 1.06 patch, as it will make game as central inner county less boring.
Under FC it might be easier just to forbid it entirely. Under RP it simply couldn't happen (ie they'd essentially be declaring a civil war). Under TC and Pop i'd go with you must have a claim on of them, that OR it could be you could interfer anytime with a large, but not game-breaking BB hit. I prefer the former though.Woz Early said:
For wars of agression, under RP they'd they'd be impossible, under FC, you couldn't interfere without a claim. Under TC and Pop, you could without a claim, but it would be a heavy BB.
Defensive wars you can interfer anytime without restraint to laws.
That would be more ideal situation and you can model RP to have more negative events because its more restrictive.
Yes. However under RP you'd get a lot of complaining nobles spamming you to losen things up, plus maybe a few who might decide to take matters into their own hand if you don't agree with them.Gogog said: