Into The Fire: An Alternate History Mod

[bean1]

"The most powerful weapon on earth is the human soul on fire." -Marshal Ferdinand Foch

1950: Over a decade has passed since an Axis victory in WWII; A Third Reich now lords over much of Europe. An Italian empire rules the Mediterranean sea. Japan dominates much of the Pacific.
In the East, a greatly-reduced Soviet state wages a vicious guerrilla war against German forces from across the Urals. A defeated yet independent Britain retreats deep into diplomatic isolation as it struggles to remain neutral in the changed geopolitical climate. The United States stands as the only force capable of challenging the Axis powers.

This is the world about to be thrown into the fire.


What this mod is not:

This mod is not going to be Fatherland with a different name. I will aim to make it completely different, and/or improve on certain aspects of the original Fatherland.

This mod is not Ceasefire. The plot will be completely different as well.

Both of those mods had/have potential. I want to make this post-WWII alternate history mod my own, however. My own events, own map, etc.

What this mod is:

This mod will attempt to stay reletivley realistic, with some tweaks for gameplay reasons. All events, the map, etc. will be of my own creation. Unique challenges will be added as to avoid a Third Reich super-state.(such as a continual war with the Soviets, etc.)

A map screenshot will be released soon.

 

[razorbird789]

please tell me you kept the British monarch somewhere in the game! If you abandon realism that's fine but you must be mad to get rid of such a fortified concept. Especially at the hands of communism!

 

[whatguts]

please tell me you kept the British monarch somewhere in the game! If you abandon realism that's fine but you must be mad to get rid of such a fortified concept. Especially at the hands of communism!

let me ask you this- what's your opinion of Kaiserraich?

 

[unmerged(174159)]

let me ask you this- what's your opinion of Kaiserraich?

It has a British Monarch in Canada, your argument is null and void!

 

[razorbird789]

It has a British Monarch in Canada, your argument is null and void!

and the Kaissereich storyline is mostly fine because of that, the only thing lacking (which i have requested) is more dissent hit to the UoB because the people of Britain love the monarch even now when the idea of a monarch is old fashioned and out of date we still celebrated the Diamond Jubilee of Elizabeth II because it's something unique about Britain that no other nation can compete with

 

[unmerged(174159)]

Personally, she can go to hell. Don't believe the Beeb. It's all bloody Ceaucescu-propaganda.

 

[bean1]

This mod is now officially an Axis-victory scenario; the other "concept" was stupid!

 

[Panzergruppe]

This mod is now officially an Axis-victory scenario; the other "concept" was stupid!

What concept was that, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[unmerged(82211)]

This mod is now officially an Axis-victory scenario; the other "concept" was stupid!

May you post some start country stats... so we can also start to complain about it.


ps.: It would be better than discuss KR in this thread!

 

[bean1]

Germany

Germany rules most of Europe, From France and all the way up to European Russia west of the Urals. German troops are engaged in a constant fight against the remnants of the Red Army, reduced to waging a guerrilla war.

Soviet Union

The Soviet Union has been reduced to a rump state based in central and far eastern Siberia. To Joseph Stalin, who still rules the Communist Party with an iron fist, the Great Patriotic War never officially ended. After the fall of Moscow(and subsequently Leningrad), the Red Army moved east.

United Kingdom

Defeated yet still retaining it's independence, the British Isles stand isolated from mainland Europe as the British government struggles to juggle support between the U.S. and Germany. Stripped of much of it's colonies and prestige, great unrest reigns in the United Kingdom.

United States

A dominant force in the fight against Axis tyranny, the U.S. saw the Pacific partitioned between Japan and itself following the end of the Pacific War, which resulted in a stalemate. Relations between Britain are strong, yet poor towards the Third Reich and Japan.

This is the basic setup for some of the major nations in 1950.

What do you all think so far?

 

[Indefatigable]

Out of curiosity, how did the Axis win? Did Britain surrender after the Fall of France? Did the Americans ever enter the war? How did the Italians manage to capture Egypt?

 

[unmerged(82211)]

Out of curiosity, how did the Axis win? Did Britain surrender after the Fall of France? Did the Americans ever enter the war? How did the Italians manage to capture Egypt?

Well, that sounds pretty plausible to us come up in a scenario like mr. Bean1 described above. Just maybe Japan DoW USA after UK surrender, so USA was alone in Pacific as UK was in Europe.

 

[unmerged(82211)]

Germany

Germany rules most of Europe, From France and all the way up to European Russia west of the Urals. German troops are engaged in a constant fight against the remnants of the Red Army, reduced to waging a guerrilla war.

Soviet Union

The Soviet Union has been reduced to a rump state based in central and far eastern Siberia. To Joseph Stalin, who still rules the Communist Party with an iron fist, the Great Patriotic War never officially ended. After the fall of Moscow(and subsequently Leningrad), the Red Army moved east.

United Kingdom

Defeated yet still retaining it's independence, the British Isles stand isolated from mainland Europe as the British government struggles to juggle support between the U.S. and Germany. Stripped of much of it's colonies and prestige, great unrest reigns in the United Kingdom.

United States

A dominant force in the fight against Axis tyranny, the U.S. saw the Pacific partitioned between Japan and itself following the end of the Pacific War, which resulted in a stalemate. Relations between Britain are strong, yet poor towards the Third Reich and Japan.

This is the basic setup for some of the major nations in 1950.

What do you all think so far?

It's a nice start scenario, IMO.
But what would possible start it all over again?

Also, I would suggest you to add the Space Race mod to your project... it would be cool to see these potences aiming for space in a race by prestige and development, while they're trying to influence the minors to play at their side.

 

[nsr433]

What colonies does the UK loose. All(India / Raj, SEAC, Africa), some (India / Raj, SEAC, German African Colonies and North Africa(to reflect Italy's mare nostrum)) or some (Inda / Raj, SEAC, German African Colonies and North Africa(to reflect Italy's mare nostrum) and Italian East Africa)

 

[Lord Finnish]

Some suggestions for Finland:

- Finland should own Leningrad, though it would have little industry (like 1 IC) and low infastructure (about 40%).
- There should be events with dealing with the Estonians who are obviously in the way of Generalplan Ost. Germany could hand over Estonian people to Finland for manpower gain and industrial bonus.
- Finland's president could well be Jukka Rangell and Edwin Linkomies could be prime minister. Finnish government should be Social Conservative.
- 1952 Olympics in Finland could play some role. Perhaps USA would refuse to participate?
- Decision to deal with the Russian population of Karelia. Expel them to German Russia, assimilate them with the Finns or impose other restrictions (like segregation) to their living.
- If you ever edit map names I can suggest alternative names for Karelian provinces.
- Kola and Murmansk shouldn't be Finnish cores yet but become so depending on how Finland treats its new Russian minority.
- Finland should have good relations with USA.

 

[unmerged(82211)]

What colonies does the UK loose. All(India / Raj, SEAC, Africa), some (India / Raj, SEAC, German African Colonies and North Africa(to reflect Italy's mare nostrum)) or some (Inda / Raj, SEAC, German African Colonies and North Africa(to reflect Italy's mare nostrum) and Italian East Africa)

I would suggest that:
India/Raj would be in civil war... one faction with good relations to UK, other to JAP... it would be cool to see how the balance of power would be set in the region after some years.
IMO UK should keep Caribbean zone and most of colonies in Africa, but face independence movements all around. It could be handled by events as well as partisan activities. East Africa, Libya and Egypt should be in Italian hands, of course.
I don't like the idea of Germany take its former colonies back, due gameplay purposes... and after all, the peace treaty between Allies and Axis in early 1941 would be something very like a white peace, with few concessions, IMO.
Churchill of course should be retired... or even death!
Iceland could be independent, Canada could have control over Greenland and USA over Belize (they sized it to avoyd possible German claims during peace negotiations).

 

[Lord Finnish]

I honestly doubt that Hitler would have cared one bit for German colonies.

P.S. Since German victory was swift and you-know-what never really happened, would the Madagaskar plan have been completed and the island be a Jewish state?

 

[bean1]

Out of curiosity, how did the Axis win? Did Britain surrender after the Fall of France? Did the Americans ever enter the war? How did the Italians manage to capture Egypt?

Moscow fell in 1941, followed by Leningrad, forcing a Red Army retreat eastwards. Although the war in the east was a huge victory for German forces during the war, the Red Army avoided destruction, while the Soviet leadership managed to retreat with them as well.

A guerrilla war began based from across the Urals, which still continues eight or nine years later in 1950. With no end in sight, the German army finds itself heavily taxed and lacking morale.

The decisive Battle of Alamein(first or second) ended in an Axis victory, allowing for the Italians to seize the Suez canal.

The Americans did enter the war, after Pearl Harbor. However, with the war in the east having ended before their entry when combined with the rout and near-devastation of the Red Army, hope of anything resembling D-Day was dashed.

A Japanese victory at Midway resulted in a stalemate for both sides, thus ending the Pacific War. The Pacific Ocean was divided, with Japan holding onto many conquered islands, including the Philippines.

Britain hung on until the very end, when it was forced to sue for peace with no end in sight, and following defeats across it's colonial territories.

P.S. Since German victory was swift and you-know-what never really happened, would the Madagaskar plan have been completed and the island be a Jewish state?

I'm not sure if putting in references to "you-know-what" is a good idea, although it would no doubt play a large part in the U.S.'s foreign policy towards the Germans.("you-know-what" was known by the Allies since the early 40's thanks to it's discovery by Polish resistance fighters, etc.)

As for the Madagascar Plan, it was abandoned due to a German defeat in the Battle of Britain. They planned to use the ships captured from British ports to carry out the plan. Madagascar was to be a semi-aunotomous region to be put under German governance.

Assuming in this AH that the Battle of Britain went as planned, then "you-know-what" would have still occurred.

 

[Sechrima]

I agree with Arcanjo Zero that you should add the Space Race mod to your own mod. It would greatly enhance the Cold War atmosphere.

You should make it possible via events for Germany to colonize their eastern holdings (Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Caucasus, etc.) to reflect the Nazis' obsession with Lebensraum. The Reich had big plans to send German families eastward to rule over the conquered Slavs. This would be represented by Germany gaining cores on eastern provinces. It would also be nice if there were events to decide how Germany can treat the local populations in their occupied territories. For instance, the Germans could assimilate 'acceptable' (see: blond) types into the Reich while forcing the remainder into slavery, or force them all to emigrate, or whatever.

The US and Soviets shouldn't have as good rocket, jet, and space programs as they did in the real timeline. Largely responsible for getting them into space and on the moon were German scientists and engineers.

If you really want a unique and interesting mod, it would be great to explore via events some of Germany's more peculiar obsessions, like Himmler's intended transformation of the SS into a pagan, occult, pseudo-knightly order, which would increase its control over the state and rule from a number of order castles (primarily Wewelsburg). You could even have events showing the struggle of the various factions within the Reich and their internal feuds over control of the government. Hermann Göring had a strong faction (assuming the air war went better in your timeline than in real history), as did Martin Bormann, and of course Himmler's power grew exponentially up until the last days of the Reich. An event allowing you to turn Berlin into Germania and erect Speer's Volkshalle would be a nice touch, too.

Good luck with the mod, whatever you choose to do.

 

[unmerged(82211)]

Assuming in this AH that the Battle of Britain went as planned, then "you-know-what" would have still occurred.

You could do something really weird... add a Jew state in Haifa, as puppet of Germany or UK. Say that Germans demanded some of the Midle East during peace treaty, or just UK give in to the Zionist movement in its very beggining. Or simple ignore this subject.

Besides, if the Battle of Britain suceeded, RAF and RN shall be very reduced.