Interview at Gamespot..

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Sprites are at least moddable in HOI2, so I guess that'll be possible in EU3 as well.

 

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I meant simply a general setting for all unit sizes so that you don't have to mod the individual units to change their size (this would be quite a pain for 100+ units). I didn't play Civ4, but I read it's relatively easy there since it's all done via the 3d engine. Dunno if that is possbile in EU3 too, but given how they scaled back the trees (which were much bigger initially) maybe we can do here something similar. Just a guess of course.

 

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The interview didn't really tell us anything new; it sounded scripted like a press release.

 

[Featauril]

No, It was the FRENCH proper name. From 1604 to 1621, The Province was French. In 1621 there was a order of Baronets, The Baronets of Nova Scotia, and It was basically an effort to Colonize Nova Scotia for the British.

I think you're refering to the Scottish colony founded near Port Royal. It didn't last long, it wasn't contested territory 'till Acadia first changed hands in 1654.

From then until 1713 it was contested, In 1713 the French claim was surrendered as were Their mainland Nova Scotian colonies and in 1755 They were completely driven from the greater province.

And of the rest of North America, incidently.

That's also the same year the Acadians, at this time a minority of Farmers,

A majority, actually. Halifax wasn't founded until 1749 and by 1755 the acadians were still the overwhelming majority in Nova Scotia. Why do you think they deported them? It was because they knew that a general uprising could well push them out of the territory.

were delivered an ultimatium "Become good British citizens or be forcably emoved" and we sent most of them packing.

That's innacurate. There were many times the english tried to persuade the local colonists to take the vow of allegiance, but they would not unless there was an exception that made that they would not have to take arms against the french in time of wars.

Originally that consession(sp) was made but afterwards it was recalled, and the british would no longer negociate with the acadians. They demanded an unconditionnal vow.

There never was an ultimatum with threat of deportation, there was an demand that was refused and deportation was used as reprisal.

To reinterate, unless your French it's not the proper name for the period.

edit: Okay I didn't see this second one

I figure not. Yet for the majority of the time period, say from when the place was first visited by Amerigo Vespuci up 'til the takeover of 1713 it was called Acadia. I still think that's how it should be called.

The Acadian colony (and Nova Scotia up til the creation of New Brunswick) was Nova Scotia, Cape Breton, New Brunswick and a chunk of Maine. It was so at it's creation, and I imagine, They thought it so until they lost it to the British. And because it remained French, Wouldn't it make sense for the half of Nova Scotia/Acadia that remained French for most of the EU peroid to be named after the French name and the English Half named after the English name?

Yet the acadians nearly all lived in modern day Nova scotia. How can I explain this...

The geographic expression of Acadia encompassed all that you said, yes. However, the actual colony was only in modern day Nova Scotia. There were very few acadians living outside of nova scotia, save for Île St-Jean and Île Royale.

I don't think they should call the unpopulated and uncontested regions of, shall we say "Greater Acadia", as the colony of Acadia. Nova Scotia is the best one.

 

[Evie HJ]

Besides which, the name if you're French is ACADI*E*, not ACADI*A*.

 

[Sander_NL]

Maybe not so relevant to the discussion going on here, but as it is the gamespot thread for now. I just want to point out EU3 stands ninth in the top 10 day list and 2nd in the coming soon list .

Hope this will really boost the amount of players that will follow and buy the game .

 

[Verenti]

I think you're refering to the Scottish colony founded near Port Royal. It didn't last long, it wasn't contested territory 'till Acadia first changed hands in 1654.

Neither did Port Royal if I remember correctly. Besides, The King of England claimed "Acadia" in 1620 when he labelled it a part of New England.

And of the rest of North America, incidently.

The greater results of the Seven Years War doesn't change the fact that the French were driven out of the New England region in 1755.

A majority, actually. Halifax wasn't founded until 1749 and by 1755 the acadians were still the overwhelming majority in Nova Scotia. Why do you think they deported them? It was because they knew that a general uprising could well push them out of the territory.

If the public parks and public education is to be believed, I believe we kicked them out BECAUSE of the fact they constantly took up arms in the name of the French.

That's innacurate. There were many times the english tried to persuade the local colonists to take the vow of allegiance, but they would not unless there was an exception that made that they would not have to take arms against the french in time of wars.

Originally that consession(sp) was made but afterwards it was recalled, and the british would no longer negociate with the acadians. They demanded an unconditionnal vow.

There never was an ultimatum with threat of deportation, there was an demand that was refused and deportation was used as reprisal.

No, That's a difference in semantics of flavour. I never said we tried to persuade them to leave prior to that or try to get them to swear fealty to the English/British crown. I said in 1755 the English told the Acadians, to swear their oath or else. My statement did originally have the "or else get out" but If I would get into explaining something that was ultimately trivial such as they never threatened deportation but decided it was the best route to go afterwards. It doesn't matter. Whether it was a part of the original offer made to the Frenchmen is irrelevent because my only point was THAT was the year most of the French population was removed from the province, rendering it most English.

I figure not. Yet for the majority of the time period, say from when the place was first visited by Amerigo Vespuci up 'til the takeover of 1713 it was called Acadia. I still think that's how it should be called.

Except for the English who used the name "Nova Scotia" since 1621.

Yet the acadians nearly all lived in modern day Nova scotia. How can I explain this...

The geographic expression of Acadia encompassed all that you said, yes. However, the actual colony was only in modern day Nova Scotia. There were very few acadians living outside of nova scotia, save for Île St-Jean and Île Royale.

I don't think they should call the unpopulated and uncontested regions of, shall we say "Greater Acadia", as the colony of Acadia. Nova Scotia is the best one.

Yes, but it is also the best name for Nova Scotia, which has been named the same for nearly as long and Nova Scotia is the present name, and a good precentage of the population of Nova Scotia is British. Infact, I'm hard pressed to find North Westerm Eurpoean people who aren't Irish/Scottish/English/Welsh in Nova Scotia. Indeed, A lot of the Africians I know have British Heritage.

 

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About Acadia and such, won't we be able to change name of provinces in game?

 

[EvilSanta]

I really love 2 reputations. That keeps every single country from attacking me even if I own two thirds of Europe.

 

[Flooper X]

This whole "Acadia or not Acadia" discussion seems kind of like a pointless history knowledge-contest and doesn't really matter at all as far as the gameplay is concerned, since these historical stuff you are all talking about probably won't even happen when we play the game ourselves, since all of you who care about this specific area probably will colonize it yourselves ASAP, and the chanses of anyone else caring are very small indeed that said, I'm really looking forward to this game

 

[Verenti]

This whole "Acadia or not Acadia" discussion seems kind of like a pointless history knowledge-contest and doesn't really matter at all as far as the gameplay is concerned, since these historical stuff you are all talking about probably won't even happen when we play the game ourselves, since all of you who care about this specific area probably will colonize it yourselves ASAP, and the chanses of anyone else caring are very small indeed that said, I'm really looking forward to this game

But chances are you care equally as much about your home and would let the proper powers know if there is something they should fix, no? What I see is a couple of problems with my Home Province, and all I wish, is for those problems to be fixed before launch. It's not like any of those other nationalistic threads where the people wish to change the balance of their country by adding more provinces or better statistics to represent themselves better in History. I want a cosmetic change to have the city in the province moved out of a region in the province which has never been significant, to one of the two major city sites in our history: Port Royal or Halifax, depending on the province's name in game, and I would like it better, and think it more correct, if the province name was changed to the "English" Name for the Region: New Scotland, or in Latin, Nova Scotia.

Now I can't imagine if other people care about this, but I DO care and passionately, because we're talking about my home, and I do so love my home. I don't believe that I'm the exclusive person to hold this kind of love.

 

[noddysseus]

YaY! You used Ireland as an example!
Great interview and new revealing screenshots!
Cheers!

 

[Featauril]

I think we should end this discussion soon, we've disgressed long enough. So I'll only adress a few of your points. Consider the rest of them conceded.

Neither did Port Royal if I remember correctly. Besides, The King of England claimed "Acadia" in 1620 when he labelled it a part of New England.

Correct. The point is, however, when the british and the french stopped fighting for the peninsula, it was the french who had an established colony there and who exercised control over it.

If the public parks and public education is to be believed, I believe we kicked them out BECAUSE of the fact they constantly took up arms in the name of the French.

I've been to the museums and I've read about the subject too, and I can honestly say that the only case of acadians supporting directly the french were at the fall of fort Beauséjour, when the british found a few dozen acadians amonsgt the Fort's defenders.

Wether that justifies your use of the word "constantly" or wether it made them a real threat, well, I have no opinion on that.

Except for the English who used the name "Nova Scotia" since 1621.

Sure, for a territory that they neither owned or had a settlement on for the better part of the 17th century.

I concede that the first settlement at Port-Royal was only a trade post, and it was burned not long after it was set up, but eventually it became a permanent colony while the scottish one in nova scotia did not.

Yes, but it is also the best name for Nova Scotia, which has been named the same for nearly as long and Nova Scotia is the present name, and a good precentage of the population of Nova Scotia is British. Infact, I'm hard pressed to find North Westerm Eurpoean people who aren't Irish/Scottish/English/Welsh in Nova Scotia. Indeed, A lot of the Africians I know have British Heritage.

The majority of the population of Nova Scotia was british as of 1755. That leaves 38 game years of british majority, while french majority was from 1632 to 1755, so 123 years. That's [edit]three[/edit] times as much. I still think the french name is better.

 

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Once again, it could be a good thing to be able to change name of province (and major city).

 

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In addition, you could be the ruler of two or more countries, each with its own religion. Again, grounds for friction.

This sounds interesting. Perhaps all the differing Hapsburg possesions will be modeled as different Countries ruled by the same 'player'.

 

[Verenti]

I think we should end this discussion soon, we've disgressed long enough. So I'll only adress a few of your points. Consider the rest of them conceded.

Correct. The point is, however, when the british and the french stopped fighting for the peninsula, it was the french who had an established colony there and who exercised control over it.

Sir, You earn a great deal of respect from me by conceding some of my points. I shall stop being so stubbron and respond in turn. I think there was some English settlements in the province but that could be my memory playing tricks on me. It does that, To Quote the Importance of Being Earnest: "Yes, but it usually chronicles the things that have never happened, and couldn't possibly have happened." I will give up on my pursuit of my fabled British settlement in the early 1600's period.

I've been to the museums and I've read about the subject too, and I can honestly say that the only case of acadians supporting directly the french were at the fall of fort Beauséjour, when the british found a few dozen acadians amonsgt the Fort's defenders.

Again, I seem to remember that ghastly video at Grand Pre mentioning atleast two attacks. They joined the French against the English, then the English made them declare neutrality and then they attacked the British claiming the French forced them to fight for them. I think they mentioned three attacks but I cannot substantiate such a claim.

Wether that justifies your use of the word "constantly" or wether it made them a real threat, well, I have no opinion on that.

I must admit I am prone to rhetorical hyperbole, but if they did rise up three times to take arms against Great Britain, depending on the frequency of the attacks that could be regarded as constantly.

Sure, for a territory that they neither owned or had a settlement on for the better part of the 17th century.

We did own some of the land, as much as any other person. One of the things I cited frequently is the order of the Baronets of Nova Scotia, Founded in 1621, to encourage immigration into the Nova Scotia colony. What it was, was essentially, you buy a noble title "Baronet" and with that title you gained land in Nova Scotia which you were encouraged to turn productive, which is how you would make back your investment. Now I don't know the direct effects of this program, but I do know that in the head of the Baronets of Nova Scotia's old territory in Scotland is a very small piece of ceremonial land which is considered part of the Province of Nova Scotia. This would lead me to believe that the order was not a complete failure.

I also know It's hard to sell land if you don't own it or if the French are occupying it currently.

I concede that the first settlement at Port-Royal was only a trade post, and it was burned not long after it was set up, but eventually it became a permanent colony while the scottish one in nova scotia did not.

I really don't know anything about this Scottish settlement, off the top of my head. So like I said earlier, I have to surrender this point.

The majority of the population of Nova Scotia was british as of 1755. That leaves 38 game years of british majority, while french majority was from 1632 to 1755, so 123 years. That's [edit]three[/edit] times as much. I still think the french name is better.

Yes, but I meant the population is mainly British now. As, by sake of Ratio alone, Most of the people who buy the game in Nova Scotia will be British, for the sheer fact that there is far more McDonalds then Tremblays in NS. I think the population ratio is like 7:1.5:1:various small numbers (British(Irish,Scottish,English,Welsh):Other Europeans:Africans:Other) but that AGAIN might be my memory playing tricks on me


edit: I totally missed the part where you said we should stop this exchange. I guess I'll let you get the last word and let it drop.

 

[Featauril]

Just a last note - a quick search on wikipedia with the words "Scottish Colonization" will turn up that the order of baronets was started by King James I, king of both England and Scotland, to colonize Nova Scotia. The first colony, made by people from Scotland, was up in 1624. It was abandonned when the French were ceded Nova Scotia in 1631.

Otherwise, it wasn't until 1749 and the foundation of Halifax that there was a british colony in Nova Scotia. More efforts to colonize Nova Scotia were made by sending german settlers at what is now Lunenburg. Those germans from Hanover are hardly british, though. The bulk of the british populations were the loyalists who came in the late 1780's.

You see, your order of baronets *is* the scottish colony. I just presumed you knew this. In any case, it failed and was never to be heard of again after 1632.