Interesting analysis

[Kaarle XII]

you don't even know how many people are foaming at the mouth for EU4...

No need for that as Magna Mundi is coming soon(ish)!

 

[Galaahd]

I will never get tired of this game, and I can already say that I will buy any DLC or expansion pack.

 

[erekose123]

Vanilla events are indeed covering a wide variety of topics (inter-personna relations, raising children, religious differences etc.). I am satisfied with the relation price/content and I think Paradox has greatly elevated its quality standard with this release. Nonetheless, next release will be scrutated.

To me, the black spot of Paradox remains Tutorial and Newbie Guide. You would gain more costumers by answering this question a noob asks when launching a PI game : "what do I have to do" ?

 

[unddu]

More events.
More buildings (different benefits like reduced RR or w/e).
Way more plots.
Way more ambitions.

That's stuff I'm more then willing to shelf out some more money for.


(And make being king/emperor worth it instead of a chore. Especially having multiple king titles is moot at the moment)

 

[kingsword]

There will be new ambitions & plots in each content patch..

We got a system to eliminate spam if we add more events, so it just increases variety.

This and mercenary & holy order numbers & cost increasing every century is currently the only thing I'd be expecting from the game. Thank you very much for an excellent release.

 

[Variton]

Is this the first game we have made where the community actually thinks the creative content is more than enough? Not that we want to stop here. We will add several event-series to every content patch...

I would say the # of events is reasonably sufficient for the game not to repeat itself, but I would still like a lot more! Events, plots and ambitions! I believe they will add to the replay value of the game a lot and given enough, I know I will be playing this great game for hundreds of hours more.

 

[Yrsnö]

There can never be enough events but CKII feels pretty fleshed out at its core.
Having that said, I still crave more! :happy:

 

[InnocentIII]

In my experience it's very hard to acquire "the great", because you need to be below 100 prestige when you inherit, and my sons often have nearly that much when they're born.

True. I wonder if they couldn't just jack up the requirements if you start the ambition with higher prestige. For every 50 you are over 100 add 100 to the necessary Prestige. Start at 500 and you'd need to get to 1800. Or add 150 for every 50 over. Starting at a 500 start you'd need 2200 to be "The Great". If you have many siblings and they all die, I'd like to see "Queen Isabella I 'The Girl Who Lived' of Leon"

I want a building which stops assassins or at least slows them down. A "Tower of Isolation", though I'd call it my summer palace.

 

[Antoine]

I think with a clear modding guide more people (other than the ones who modded all paradox games since eu2) would certainly make events.

For anyone else than a paradox games modding specialist, trying to make events in a game like ck2 (and it's probably the same for any other recent paradox title) means being forced to read an huge lot of existing ones to find one showing them how to do what they want, or to search in EU3 wiki, CK1 modding guides, and other sparse informations like dev diaries etc... spread in x other games forum, then verify that the same command exist in ck2. So it shouldn't be a big surprise if they take some time to learn.

To take an example, before someone asked the question in modding forum, the way to create a mod (make it appear in mod list) wasn't even explained in a readme or something (finally a modder found the how to on the ... victoria 2 forum -the link is still in the post it).

 

[ThomasH]

This is by far the best game Paradox ever has made. (except Victoria I)
Not only that it is simply good - it is a lot of fun from the beginning , challenging , it has depht and this all without any DLC or addon.

I must say that i was very very sceptical before it came out. (especially sceptical about DLC's)
But now i can't await all these DLC that hopefully come out soon.
I love this game -

 

[Captain Gars]

I have some plots/ambitions that I want to implement but I've no idea what a lot of the triggers mean. Looked in objectives file and got lost.:blush:

Then you know how I feel The plots are rather complicated and time consuming to do. I did the ones for Sengoku and CK but the ones for CK is much more complicated, because of everything with laws/titles/de jure vs de facto etc. And the plot needs to work together with events and decisions and special CB's and they all need to be able to detect if something isn't valid anymore... Not to mention the work that goes into actually debugging and making sure they work as intended. I know we don't have that many plots yet, but anyone who tries to mod in one themselves will quickly find out why. I've just scripted a new one that works both for vassals and independents and that I think many players will like. Will most likely be included in the next patch.

 

[Jaol]

Then you know how I feel The plots are rather complicated and time consuming to do. I did the ones for Sengoku and CK but the ones for CK is much more complicated, because of everything with laws/titles/de jure vs de facto etc. And the plot needs to work together with events and decisions and special CB's and they all need to be able to detect if something isn't valid anymore... Not to mention the work that goes into actually debugging and making sure they work as intended. I know we don't have that many plots yet, but anyone who tries to mod in one themselves will quickly find out why. I've just scripted a new one that works both for vassals and independents and that I think many players will like. Will most likely be included in the next patch.

Sounds great!

Would it be possible to get a master list of all scopes/commands/triggers/etc.? Because, as you say, CK2 has great scripting potential, but it's a bit hard to get into.

 

[Syren]

Really lookin forward to the next patch then, hopefully with more plots the ai won't have to play assassin palooza to get what it wants.

 

[InnocentIII]

Then you know how I feel The plots are rather complicated and time consuming to do. I did the ones for Sengoku and CK but the ones for CK is much more complicated, because of everything with laws/titles/de jure vs de facto etc. And the plot needs to work together with events and decisions and special CB's and they all need to be able to detect if something isn't valid anymore... Not to mention the work that goes into actually debugging and making sure they work as intended. I know we don't have that many plots yet, but anyone who tries to mod in one themselves will quickly find out why. I've just scripted a new one that works both for vassals and independents and that I think many players will like. Will most likely be included in the next patch.

I wonder if there isn't something you could do with multi-stage actions, a plot to create a plot. You don't want the player to be able to just pick an outcome and make it happen, like creating a claim ex nihilo. However, if the set-up were itself difficult, expensive or time consuming, it could turn potting into a not-too-powerful means of accomplishing things the player wants to do. The success of a pre-plot would make a difficult to obtain plot type become available. Heck, you could have the option to plot just for the fun of plotting, upon success, you'd be offered a chance to join some vassal's plot which ordinarily would not involve you (with little or no reward, i.e. not Intrigue +1 for killing some distant chef)(with a risk of adding -Opinion traits like Busybody or Incessant Gossip).

You could have plots to obtain some almost-but-not-quite approved marriages. King of Denmark rejects your son as a suitor for his daughter? But not by much? Plot with his Queen and/or Steward etc to get him to change his mind. Beats the crap out of Gifting hundreds of gold with nothing but a guess that it might help. Same thing for Courtiers/Claimants who are almost, but not quite, willing to join your court. In every case, the plot mechanism is not super powerful, it only brings about something which was nearly possible to begin with. And the plot won't always succeed, there's always a downside. In fact, you could make both of these processes a bit harder and make the requests which are rejected under the new scheme but would have been possible under the old scheme into plot-only requests.

Also, there could be plots which were largely RP or flavor events. Not necessarily of the "hello sailor!" variety some are asking for, but plots to, um, interact with various courtiers might be a good way to pass the time for some players, albeit with some risk of becoming Sims-like.

Some plots could also be ways of amplifying or assisting Councilor actions. If a council member is off doing X, then a plot would become available to assist them in doing whatever that was. Chancellor sowing dissent in an enemy province? You'd have the option of a plot to assist in that attempt, with a chain of events which made the process go better or worse, costing money or prestige either to make it succeed or as a punishment for failure. Plots to help other actions, even if they only boosted the % chance of that action's success by a few points, could add interest and something to do. Finally, you could also plot to make that same process fail. Have a Spymaster you want arrested for stealing tech, or a Spiritual Lord or Steward you want set upon by angry peasants? Send them on a mission, then plot to make that mission fail spectacularly. Again, the net result of success in the plot need only add a few points to the intended result's % chance of happening, but it would feel like you were deviously scheming to bring about a particular result via mechanics which are already built into the game.

 

[londoner247]

To me, the black spot of Paradox remains Tutorial and Newbie Guide. You would gain more costumers by answering this question a noob asks when launching a PI game : "what do I have to do" ?

I wholeheartedly endorse this comment. I don't know how difficult it would be to do but, for example, if you played a tutorial game in a world that only included the island of Ireland then you could learn everything you need to know on a small scale before taking on the full game world. At the moment, the tutorials are just a very quick look at the game which is fine for a veteran of Paradox titles but fairly useless for a true noob.

Since the secret to financial success for the company is to grow the customer base whilst maintaining loyalty amongst current customers it is very important not to overlook this.

 

[Sir Garnet]

I wonder if there isn't something you could do with multi-stage actions, a plot to create a plot. . . . You could have plots to obtain some almost-but-not-quite approved marriages. King of Denmark rejects your son as a suitor for his daughter? But not by much? Plot with his Queen and/or Steward etc to get him to change his mind. . . . Also, there could be plots which were largely RP or flavor events. Not necessarily of the "hello sailor!" variety some are asking for, but plots to, um, interact with various courtiers might be a good way to pass the time for some players . . . . Some plots could also be ways of amplifying or assisting Councilor actions. . . or plot to make that same process fail. . . . it would feel like you were deviously scheming to bring about a particular result via mechanics which are already built into the game.

Great ideas!

Also about 4 levels above sitting around administering justice and with the only Plot/Ambiition available being killing the queen (lower vassals get more fun, obviously).

 

[North_Wolf]

To be fair, the event system is one of the those things make this game so addictive so more of that would be a blessing. What I would really like to see is events for battles since those are never as memorable as the various social events you can hold. Siegies have events, but not choice based (choice is great). Events for battles would make them memorable, ie. having allowed a drunk bishop to hold the pre battle speech, your not so loyal vassal getting away with staying at the back of the battle etc. Would all make battles come to life in the same as the rest of the game, the game feels like a grand tale but the battles never pass into legend.

 

[Lord Vamp]

How about region-specific events? Especially for Byzantium.

 

[Joel M Bridge]

How about region-specific events? Especially for Byzantium.

For example why is kaiser not crown by the pope drive insane, get fullly invest with imperial reglia was one the apples the pope could place over the emperor head.

 

[Lamartine]

Also, could we get a plot to spring people out of jail?
Currently it's an event, but iirc it only fires for your character; and even if it fires for your courtiers, it would be nice to have some control over the process. Maybe even make your Spymaster's "Build A Spynetwork" increase the chances of a prison break.