Of course. That goes for pretty much anything, but its still fun, providing you take it all with a huge pinch of salt.
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Of course. That goes for pretty much anything, but its still fun, providing you take it all with a huge pinch of salt.
yes form what i know it was a real project.. but i dont know a lot about it..i can get more pics of some more types if u whant. and is ther a mod to give u kamikazy squodreans?
"do you have any info on this "orbital bomber"? was this a "real" project?"
It was a real project, just as the sound and wind cannon... However...the result was not so real as these pictures lead us to believe.
It was a real project, just as the sound and wind cannon... However...the result was not so real as these pictures lead us to believe.
The Germans had dozens of fantasy products, some more successful than others. They had machine guns with curved barrels to shoot around corners (actually worked quite well), multiple chamber cannons, anti aircraft wire rockets, magnetic guns, wind guns, sound guns, giant tanks, etc...
The flying wing was indeed conceptually ahead of its time, but the technology to make it viable was just not there. As a matter of fact, were it not for stealth tech, one could say the technology is not there yet. As mentioned before, B2 pilots say their plane handles like a brick when compared to others.
In the end, one of the major German failures of the war was the total lack of research coordination. Everyone and anyone had a pet project, and that led to a fantastic dispersion of resources. So dont be surprised if you hear about "secret" vergeltungswaffen (revenge weapons), let alone new versions of a supposed miracle weapon. After all, the German army did secret research to develop a new helmet in 1943, in spite of hitler's interdiction. If they did this for a helmet, what would they do for a bomber.
The flying wing was indeed conceptually ahead of its time, but the technology to make it viable was just not there. As a matter of fact, were it not for stealth tech, one could say the technology is not there yet. As mentioned before, B2 pilots say their plane handles like a brick when compared to others.
In the end, one of the major German failures of the war was the total lack of research coordination. Everyone and anyone had a pet project, and that led to a fantastic dispersion of resources. So dont be surprised if you hear about "secret" vergeltungswaffen (revenge weapons), let alone new versions of a supposed miracle weapon. After all, the German army did secret research to develop a new helmet in 1943, in spite of hitler's interdiction. If they did this for a helmet, what would they do for a bomber.
Sure, the Germans had all the "wonder weapons" that were "just about to enter production" when the war ended, but the fact is that almost all of them were technically unfeasible, and only pursued because the bizarre medieval structure of Nazi Germany's 'barons" allowed crackpots to enter "data" into the record that had no bearing on reality. If you had the ears of one of the wackos running the Reich you could pretty much claim anything you wanted and get it accepted as truth.
Now, if you think about it, what sort of engine power would it take to get a jet aircraft into suborbit (so it could - without any thermal shielding, mind you) "skip" off the earth's atmosphere and get to NYC from Germany? Let alone "skip off the atmosphere" all the way around the world and return home? Does any sane person really believe that German technicians had that technology in WWII? If so, I have a bridge to sell you!
Don't believe everything they tell you on TV. The "History" channel is designed to sell advertising, not tell history. It is so much more sensational for them to flog these stories than to investigate them, and a reading of real history would tell you what things were really like in the "Weird Reich."
Now, if you think about it, what sort of engine power would it take to get a jet aircraft into suborbit (so it could - without any thermal shielding, mind you) "skip" off the earth's atmosphere and get to NYC from Germany? Let alone "skip off the atmosphere" all the way around the world and return home? Does any sane person really believe that German technicians had that technology in WWII? If so, I have a bridge to sell you!
Don't believe everything they tell you on TV. The "History" channel is designed to sell advertising, not tell history. It is so much more sensational for them to flog these stories than to investigate them, and a reading of real history would tell you what things were really like in the "Weird Reich."
The Silverbird might have been alittle out there, but the Horten Ho XVIII is not. The fighter style delta wing plane was built, in fact one exists in the Smithsonian if I remember correctly. Considering that the Germans were able to get a fair share of there wonder weapons to work, abite horribly buggy, the design might just have suceeded. Look at it this way, in 39 did anyone think the Germans could ever build a V2?
There is a big difference between the V-2, a remarkable achievement, and the intercontinental-stealth-supersonic-mega-giga-uber-ultra-badass bombers, which were almost exclusively pure fantasy, with a little impossibly souped-up current engineering thrown in.
Did you know that the Convair B-36 'Peacemaker' was the largest warplane ever mass produced, and had WW2 gone on, it would have been bombing Germany from America.
The Hughes F-11 was a reconaissance plane, capable of 466 MPH in 1941. It had a 1800+ mile range, and could carry about 1000 pounds of ordinance (guns, rockets, bombs, camera equipment...), and it was made without 'strategic materials'. IE no aluminum, IE wood. Only one was made.
Has anyone ever heard of the Chance-Vought X5FU 'Flying Pancake?' The Grumman F8F 'Bearcat?' The North American P-82 'Twin Mustang?' The British Gloster Meteor?
Sure, Germany had some very high tech plane designs. But no-one ever seems interested in designs put forth by other countries, that were not only the technological equivalent, but also actually produced.
Steele
Did you know that the Convair B-36 'Peacemaker' was the largest warplane ever mass produced, and had WW2 gone on, it would have been bombing Germany from America.
The Hughes F-11 was a reconaissance plane, capable of 466 MPH in 1941. It had a 1800+ mile range, and could carry about 1000 pounds of ordinance (guns, rockets, bombs, camera equipment...), and it was made without 'strategic materials'. IE no aluminum, IE wood. Only one was made.
Has anyone ever heard of the Chance-Vought X5FU 'Flying Pancake?' The Grumman F8F 'Bearcat?' The North American P-82 'Twin Mustang?' The British Gloster Meteor?
Sure, Germany had some very high tech plane designs. But no-one ever seems interested in designs put forth by other countries, that were not only the technological equivalent, but also actually produced.
Steele
Ivan, the Horten may have been built, but it was not viable. The B-2, with today's technology and with all the computers making sure it flies right and stealth technology handles like an anvil. If you spot it visually in a fighter jet, the plane is toast.
Yes the Germans could make the Horten fly. Would it have been a viable weapons platform back in WW2 without standoff weapons to keep it out of sight of its opponents? dont think so.
By the way, while the V2 was a technological marvel of propulsion, it was really a simple ballistic rocket as far as guidance went. send it on course and thats it. An achievement like making the Horten combat ready would have been many times more complex. (for your info, a single B2 costs a couple of billions to build, which should give you an idea of the complexity of the vehicle as a opposed to a tomahawk which costs in the millions.)
Yes the Germans could make the Horten fly. Would it have been a viable weapons platform back in WW2 without standoff weapons to keep it out of sight of its opponents? dont think so.
By the way, while the V2 was a technological marvel of propulsion, it was really a simple ballistic rocket as far as guidance went. send it on course and thats it. An achievement like making the Horten combat ready would have been many times more complex. (for your info, a single B2 costs a couple of billions to build, which should give you an idea of the complexity of the vehicle as a opposed to a tomahawk which costs in the millions.)
Drmo: Thats what I was saying. The V-2 was a remarkable achievment, but it was matched by other technological powers within a short time. It was high tech, but no nearly so much as these 'superweapons' that Germany almost built lots of. Germany could not have built most of them, and any that were indeed put into production would have been so exceedingly cost-inefficient that producing them would have made Germany's final defeat that much easier.
Trading a tank division for a single supersonic plane or long range space-bomber or stealth-combat-helicopter-missile launcher-uber-gizmo thing no matter how cool would have been bad for the Germans.
BTW: Leonardo da Vinci 'almost built a helicopter.' Jules Verne 'almost put a man on the moon and sent a submarine to the bottom of the ocean.' H.G. Wells 'almost built a time machine.' Note the satire...
Steele
Trading a tank division for a single supersonic plane or long range space-bomber or stealth-combat-helicopter-missile launcher-uber-gizmo thing no matter how cool would have been bad for the Germans.
BTW: Leonardo da Vinci 'almost built a helicopter.' Jules Verne 'almost put a man on the moon and sent a submarine to the bottom of the ocean.' H.G. Wells 'almost built a time machine.' Note the satire...
Steele
Horten Go 229 was a small plane, and just a prototype.
The Heinkel He 219 was a four engine prop bomber which was supposed to be able to reach NYC, the nick was "New York".
It had problems with engines, two of them were produced and dispatchet to special unit KG200. They were used for transport
The Heinkel He 219 was a four engine prop bomber which was supposed to be able to reach NYC, the nick was "New York".
It had problems with engines, two of them were produced and dispatchet to special unit KG200. They were used for transport
I think the 219 became the fabled 'Ural-Bomber' that the Germans wanted so badly, even though it wasn't used in large numbers, nor (I think) could it have reached the Urals.
Steele
Steele