Integrated puppet the best form of ally

[markslawson]

Annexing a country without running collaborationist government at least once and preferably twice doesn't do much for the war effort - or does it if you crank up the occupation level? - and doesn't add to manpower. Allies send units wherever they want and really mess up supply and crowd airfields. No, you can't join the war.. Puppets are better in that you can request forces. Take all divisions and tell them where to go. An integrated puppet is better as they contribute factories and, if they have spare manpower, you can recruit divisions with their guys that are as good as your own. Any thoughts on this? Am I missing something?

 

[DicRoNero]

Any thoughts on this? Am I missing something?

Yes. Mappainting.

 

[STABBY5]

An integrated puppet is better as they contribute factories and, if they have spare manpower, you can recruit divisions with their guys that are as good as your own. Any thoughts on this? Am I missing something?

Integrated puppets spam divisions at you and its absolutely awful to have to return them constantly. I'd rather just take the land. I'm not sure why they decided to make them do that but they did.

 

[Dlin369]

Basically you are weighing if the ability for you (the much smarter player than the AI), with siginificant debuffs, can use those resources (factories, manpower, etc) more efficiently than the AI.

 

[dasaard200]

Puppet XXs are easy to deal with, the method is :
1] Select the TEMPLATE you want in the PUPPET's menu, and copy it to YOUR menu ; ((say, Blue Russian Cavalry [2W] ))
2] Now that you have the Blue Russian cavalry TEMPLATE in your nation's template, you CAN MODIFY IT, to fit your needs ;
3] Conversion rates on puppeted troops ;
3a] Puppet status is 70% local and 30 your own troops ;
3b] Integrated puppet status is even better; 90% local to 10% of your troops !, after spending the needed XP to form this 'new' XX .

Depending upon the recruitable population, limits how many XXs you can raise .

 

[markslawson]

On the points noted - sure you can use the factories better than the AI but how many of the factories would you get on a straight occupation? The spamming divisions thing is a pain, I admit, but at least you can tell them to stay put and not mess up supply, or even help out. The template recruitment thing I forgot to mention but is a handy way to get who new armies.. I didn't think it was 10 per cent of your troops for integrated puppets. The tool tips say they are all the puppets citizens.. I'll look next time..

 

[dasaard200]

Another use of Puppets, is the Proper ([modded]) Abuse Thereof :
IF the Puppet has Resources (any), its Overlord gets a SERIOUS discount for CF 'trading';
1 CF = about 90%+ of the Resources from Puppet (!!) ,
versus 1 CF per 8 {or less} of (>THAT<} in normal trade to AI and humans .

Modding of a Puppet can be a Wonderful and Dangerous Thing ;
1] This causes the Puppet to become a VALUABLE TARGET, which MUST be protected ;
2] RESOURCE FACTORIES mod allows Factories to be built in states, each Factory produces 15 of (>THAT<) resource, i.e. 1 of 6 flavors .
3] STATE CONSTRUCTION IMPROVED mod allows for some buildings to be built at the Provincial level (forts and ports) ; NOT AT THE STATE LEVEL . ;
4] Can require an extra army or 2 to redeploy, protecting the Geese that lay Golden Eggs !

If you don't have a Puppet; all 'trading' is subject to 'normal' rules, and AI/HUMAN rip offs .

 

[TalyonUngol]

Yes. Mappainting.

Ive seen the horrors of the Soviet Union puppeting Africa... theres so much puppets in there... its terrifyingly ugly.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You actually get a % of their manpower/factories and don't spend anything on garrisons, so they have a place especially if your nation doesn't have a lot of manpower by default (minor starts mostly). If you can collab spam up good provinces before taking them in peace deal that is a better deal for everything but manpower.

Another great use of puppets in SP is to make them as blocker nations. AI won't declare on your puppets w/o a focus, even while at war with you, so you can use them to create chokes that would not otherwise exist, and still use their manpower/factories/resources while they aren't threatened.

Also if you're doing modded play and you're some absolute bottom feed crap nation you can puppet someone and use licenses as a means to compensate for lack of research slots, puppets will always accept those.