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AscendedAlteran

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so i've played a few games as both Wallachia and Byzantium and every time the ottomans attack me asap just wondering if it was just me, planned, or a bug.

all the threads talking about this being a nerf for ottomans is BS. in my last game as Wallachia the first war the Ottomans did was attack Albania who had no allies and conquered both their one province and the Venice province behind it with no war on Venice declared then declared on me and conquered me I of course had no allies because no one wants me as an ally. i was guaranteed by Hungary but it went away when it became junior partner with Austria. also byzantium magically alled serbia and were never touched and when i played as byzantium i could get no allies. Ottomans mision is safeguard eastern anatolia and have only conquered Candar. this is the mission they have had every game i played and they have only attacked one other time in one of my 7 games and that was against Trebizond.
 

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you havent tried enough times. i just started a byz game earlier today . i secured an alliance with Hungary and was able to push through i wont bore you with the details. on game before ottos attacked Albania first and venice+ friends and aragon and naples all got called in and destroyed the Ottomans and gave me some cores back. another game Ottos allied France 2 years in got cta from france after austria attacked them and lost while mamluks were also on them. I mean every restart is different in some way. there is way less sameness than before. you just need to keep trying. even if you ally a a couple orthodox minors at the beginning until you get time to secure a bigger nation it can usually deter them form going after you first