Installation nightmare from hel*

[Pern]

Let me start out by saying Im been a computer programmer for more than 10 years.
But seriously been at it all day, not possible to install HoI3 and the expantions.

Reinstalling, rebooting, installing one starting it then installing next. All sorts of strange and not so strange combinations; Reinstalling vcredist_x86 and updating pretty much everything around in varous ways.

But no, sometime something is missing; sometimes it crashes while creating map/quads and so on.

This is beyond redicilous; spend several hours trying to install a game; Come one!
And if one thing goes bananas: Its start from the begining yet again.

Paradox please: Package Hoi3, SF and FtM into one installation thing.
So we can installing pressing next 2 times like normal games.

The effort, knowledge, time, patience required to get it to work is just not resonable; Feel like just skipping it all togeather and play chess or whatever! How are you planing to maintain a good customer relation when the installation process is like a crazy joke!

All this makes EJB3 looks easy!

/Over and out!

 

[comsubpac]

it is an expansion and not a standalone game. expansions always need the base game installed.
keeping your system up to date shouldn't be that problem especially for someone with your experience...
the map cache crashed are more caused by your OS then the game.

yes, the installation can be hard but if you do it right you need around 5 clicks to do it...

 

[Raptor83]

the map cache crashed are more caused by your OS then the game.
...

There is confirmed bug when you have missing (or deleted) Map chache that game will always crash - fix should be available on Friday.

 

[comsubpac]

There is confirmed bug when you have missing (or deleted) Map chache that game will always crash - fix should be available on Friday.

in most cases (or even all?) you can already get it to work by running the game as administrator.

 

[Pern]

Indeed, should-have-would-have-pretty-please.
Fact remains IF one does it correct fair enough, one mistake and your screwed and well rewind..

Should be possible to streamline the processes and simplify it and remove all those if you do it correct and hope it works.
Yes expantions or patches: Im fairly sure im not the only one here (given the posts on this subject on the forum)
I dont care about that, would be nice to spend more time playing that installing.

For example: It should be possible to build a package of all 3 items, avaiable to those who have all 3 (including) patches and whatnot.

It would make things about a million times easier and way way happer players

 

[comsubpac]

Indeed, should-have-would-have-pretty-please.
Fact remains IF one does it correct fair enough, one mistake and your screwed and well rewind..

Should be possible to streamline the processes and simplify it and remove all those if you do it correct and hope it works.
Yes expantions or patches: Im fairly sure im not the only one here (given the posts on this subject on the forum)
I dont care about that, would be nice to spend more time playing that installing.

For example: It should be possible to build a package of all 3 items, avaiable to those who have all 3 (including) patches and whatnot.

It would make things about a million times easier and way way happer players

you don't need any patches to install for the motherland (and even if you would need them it would only be one...). if they would put all three games into one package nobody would buy the other any more...

 

[Jazumir]

Indeed, should-have-would-have-pretty-please.
Fact remains IF one does it correct fair enough, one mistake and your screwed and well rewind..

Should be possible to streamline the processes and simplify it and remove all those if you do it correct and hope it works.
Yes expantions or patches: Im fairly sure im not the only one here (given the posts on this subject on the forum)
I dont care about that, would be nice to spend more time playing that installing.

For example: It should be possible to build a package of all 3 items, avaiable to those who have all 3 (including) patches and whatnot.

It would make things about a million times easier and way way happer players

Assuming the standard scenario, all you have to do is to install HoI3, then Semper Fi and the For then Motherland. As time passes, you may need to install a patch for the latest. Then, when FtM will be fully patched, PI will probably release a ´complete´ compilation, that will act as you request.

The only thing installation wise, that i´d complain about at this stage, is the fact that they didnt include that C++-runtime and so some had to install it seperately - which shouldnt be the case in a commercial product.

 

[unmerged(132268)]

Followed the following advice from a different thread:

(1) Uninstall all currently installed HoI versions.
(2) Install HoI3.
(3) Install SF - be careful to select the correct install folder.
(4) Install FTM - be careful to select the correct install folder.
(5) Install the current microsoft VR package (http://www.microsoft.com/download/en...s.aspx?id=5555).
(6) Install the newest Direct X version.
(7) Reboot your computer.

Do NOT install common weapons and Dies Irae. These mods are NOT compatible with FTM.

Game still crashes on upload - makes it to "Creating Borders"

Running 64bit Windows 7, GeForce 9800GTSm 1GB, 4GB DDR3

 

[podcat]

The only thing installation wise, that i´d complain about at this stage, is the fact that they didnt include that C++-runtime and so some had to install it seperately - which shouldnt be the case in a commercial product.

its included when you download now from GG I believe. was added an hour or so after launch and a mistake by us not GG.

as for installing. while we have the map cache problem still its basically these steps if you have problems:
1. uninstall hoi/SF
2. make sure the folder is gone. delete it otherwise
3. make sure the settings is gone from the virtual store if on windows 7/vista. its %appdata%/../local/Virtualstore etc to where you have hoi isntalled. once you find it you can just delete it (although this will remove savegames and settings. you can also jsut remove the map/cache folder there)
4. install hoi3, then install SF (dont need patches), then install FTM. Just do it like this, dont patch, dont run the games in between etc and it should work.
5. dont install any mods that alter the map or it will try to rebuild caches.

sorry about the issue we'll have a fix out on friday

 

[comsubpac]

Followed the following advice from a different thread:

(1) Uninstall all currently installed HoI versions.
(2) Install HoI3.
(3) Install SF - be careful to select the correct install folder.
(4) Install FTM - be careful to select the correct install folder.
(5) Install the current microsoft VR package (http://www.microsoft.com/download/en...s.aspx?id=5555).
(6) Install the newest Direct X version.
(7) Reboot your computer.

Do NOT install common weapons and Dies Irae. These mods are NOT compatible with FTM.

Game still crashes on upload - makes it to "Creating Borders"

Running 64bit Windows 7, GeForce 9800GTSm 1GB, 4GB DDR3

run the game as administrator or install it into another directory. running semper fi once before you install for the motherland might also work. the game shouldn't rebuild the map normally.

 

[unmerged(178306)]

I can't get this friggin' thing to install either, but I'll go you one better: I can't even register my products correctly. I've now purchased HOI3, SF and FTM all quite legally from gamersgate and each time I put in the product key for one on the registration page of this website, the others disappear and it's like I've never entered them. I've gone back and forth a few times with customer support about this but I gave up because it's too big an inconvenience.

I tried to install FTM today and after an apparent successful install it crashes on startup. I unistalled all three games and tried to reinstall one at a time, but when I got to SF it would crash on startup so now not only can I not play FTM, but I can't play SF either.

While it is probably entirely possible to fix the sort of problems we're having with enough know-how and good luck, it should not be necessary. It's 2011, things should be easier than this. Seriously, FTM or FML?

 

[unmerged(132268)]

"run the game as administrator or install it into another directory. running semper fi once before you install for the motherland might also work. the game shouldn't rebuild the map normally. "

OK. I'll let you know if how it worked so that others following along can do the same if they have a similar problem.

 

[Pern]

AH! and Victory!
For some reason I was patching everyting before installing the next expantion, hence lots of clicking and annoyed me! (my bad sorry)
But as comsubpac stated once you do it correctly and run as administrator its all good

Now quickly, quickly time to invade someone!
Cheers everyone, Also the extended time gave me time to add some icons that I had not have the time to register before

 

[misterbean]

podcat, you're a god! finally got it to work after 2 hours of hell.

 

[gigzoid]

I greatly enjoy paradox games, so I persevere when "niggles" mean either the install is far too convoluted or first iteration of a game requires patches/add-ons for it to get close to the original promise.

BUT, my concern for Paradox is that you are trying to maintain too large a range of games with too few resources - that you have overstretched. A lack of methodical pre-launch testing and not maintaining proper user documentation simply being the symptoms of this.

Your overstretch is made good by the community - ICE being the clearest example of this.

So, why not concentrate on core game engine and "game platform", such as HOI3 and V2, development. Build a formal API and allow controlled access along the lines of the current access to the previous game engine ? So HOI3 and V2 are as open as HOI2 now is ? A working business model for this approach is www.alfresco.com. They began trying to do too much, but had built a great underlying engine, so they developed their current licensing model. They own and develop the core engine, and key "platforms" running off it, but any serious developer can use their API to build derivatives. These derivatives either feedback licence revenue to them, or drive additional sales of the resultant enhanced underlying engine.

This seems to be the informal route you have followed with Devildread and Frank+Fiel, why not formalise it ? Why not develop and publish a formal API and let loose the dogs of war in the community ?

Gigzoid - after a frustrating time of numerous re-installs

 

[unmerged(132268)]

For the moderators:

9 times installing FTM, 8 of those times after uninstalling HOI altogether, 7 of those times with a full computer reboot. Every crash (9 of them) on "Creating Borders" during startup.

It made no difference whether I started SF up once before shutting it down and installing FTM or not.
It made no difference whether I put the whole game in a new directory.
It made no difference whether I used an Admin account.

Hope this helps you with your patch.

How about that? I beta tested for you for 8 hours and paid you $20 for it. Brilliant.

 

[Dakk]

For the moderators:

9 times installing FTM, 8 of those times after uninstalling HOI altogether, 7 of those times with a full computer reboot. Every crash (9 of them) on "Creating Borders" during startup.

It made no difference whether I started SF up once before shutting it down and installing FTM or not.
It made no difference whether I put the whole game in a new directory.
It made no difference whether I used an Admin account.

Hope this helps you with your patch.

How about that? I beta tested for you for 8 hours and paid you $20 for it. Brilliant.

For the moderators (what do the moderators have to do with this?):

1 time installing FTM, 1 time worked. Did a reboot afterwards, just to be safe.

Nothing had to make a difference, because everything worked.

Not sure if that'll help you with the patch.

I played an immensely enjoyable game for 18 hours and only had to pay 20€. Brilliant.

[/smartass]
Clearly, the game actually really do work. If you want to help, for real, with the patch - why don't you do a proper bug report in the Bug Report forum? That way, you might get real help.
Sorry you couldn't get the game to work btw...

 

[unmerged(306388)]

Dakk,I have logged in just to reply to you:show more "agape"(Schopenhauer) with the ones reporting issues,they lurk here to find help out of frustration,not to elicite your Pararousal;I have bought DIG AND FTM IS NOT COMPATIBLE;I have bought CW AND FTM IS NOT COMPATIBLE;I have bought HOI3 on steam AND I WAS FORCED TO BUY CW FROM GG,enough?NO!I am still waiting for 1.3 vicky patch on steam!!!!!!ENOUGH?NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!Vicky patch 1.3 has issues with old vic dlc,WHICH I BOUGHT!!!!!

ahahahaahha:still unresolved
AH,why I jumped here?Cos I love Paradox corporation,but when they suck,THEY SUCK and I shout it out loud:"Houston,we got a problem.We are losing a gas of certain type.......it's clearly OXYGEN"

 

[Chromos]

Dakk,I have logged in just to reply to you:show more "agape"(Schopenhauer) with the ones reporting issues,they lurk here to find help out of frustration,not to elicite your Pararousal;I have bought DIG AND FTM IS NOT COMPATIBLE;I have bought CW AND FTM IS NOT COMPATIBLE;I have bought HOI3 on steam AND I WAS FORCED TO BUY CW FROM GG,enough?NO!I am still waiting for 1.3 vicky patch on steam!!!!!!ENOUGH?NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!Vicky patch 1.3 has issues with old vic dlc,WHICH I BOUGHT!!!!!

ahahahaahha:still unresolved
AH,why I jumped here?Cos I love Paradox corporation,but when they suck,THEY SUCK and I shout it out loud:"Houston,we got a problem.We are losing a gas of certain type.......it's clearly OXYGEN"

Hi Fracchione,
I can understand your frustration. But IMHO it is a bit different situation..
These things you mentioned are designed to work with SF not with FTM...
So no "problem" here as the problem is quite the other way around..
But good news, these things(DLC's) will be made compatible with FTM..

And Dakk is correct if he points out that it would make life easier to open a post in the according section..

Kind regards,
Chromos

 

[unmerged(132268)]

After sitting on this Tursday and Friday, I purchased the whole game series again via STEAM this morning. I have played FTM for 5 hours today with absolutely no problems. I think that the issue was Gamers Gate. I've got no issues with STEAM. No crashes. All is great.

I'm getting into the interesting details of the game. I'll never use GG again. Sorry GG, I know you were there for PI in the early days.