Insanity "Operation Sealion"

[demon72]

at least in my actual game Operation Sealion runs completly mad...

...in beginning of 1941 Britain managed to have 10.000 fighters (based on spy information air: 100%)!

The "airbattle for Britain" is meanwhile in year 3 - but even with 8.000 british planes shot over the channel, I still never got more then 63% air-superiority!


End of 1942 DR has a comparable fleet - but wonder what - no chance to get to 50% sea-superiority cause all that old british vessels sitting in the harbours never moving out - but it seems that they to count to keep british sea-superiority better 50%!

Sorry, this game mechanic is completly insane, especially as Britain is completly unguarded by ground forces!

 

[Sbrubbles]

If you have air superiority, you can try whittling their fleet down with naval bombers (you can draw their fleet out by doing your own fleet actions or just port bombing them). If you don't have air superiority you can try invading the soviet union to use their resources to outproduce them.

 

[sudpud]

Try to understand the naval mechanics. Fleets in port on Strikeforce give naval supremacy.

if you have air supremacy, just port strike the fleet. They will move it out or you’ll destroy it.

 

[Vohen]

Priority #1 should always be stratbombing their airfields, those 10k fighters are worthless if they can't be fielded.
You can win a game of attrition by outproducing them of course, but it'll take a long time and resources.
Then, with complete air control, their fleet will be at your mercy.

 

[DystopianAlphaOmega]

End of 1942 DR has a comparable fleet - but wonder what - no chance to get to 50% sea-superiority cause all that old british vessels sitting in the harbours never moving out - but it seems that they to count to keep british sea-superiority better 50%!

Enemy ships in port, ready to sally out and smash your army the minute you send them out on leaky barges, deterring naval invasions does actually make sense.

 

[demon72]

Priority #1 should always be stratbombing their airfields, those 10k fighters are worthless if they can't be fielded.
You can win a game of attrition by outproducing them of course, but it'll take a long time and resources.
Then, with complete air control, their fleet will be at your mercy.

Tried this, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.

 

[Vohen]

Did you set the bombers to only target airfields?
Put all of your fighters there to escort them as well.
Ideally you'd be using strat bombers, not TACs, but it can be done with both, the difference being the time and numbers required for the task.
Initially it'll be pretty slow, but as you damage more and more airfields, their capacity to disrupt your bombers will be lower and lower, and the damage will be higher and higher.
If their state AA is also being an issue it'd be good to bomb them as well.
I haven't tried bombing radar before, but it's also an important part of air combat, so I figure it could an option.
The idea is to overwhelm them by destroying airfields faster than they can be repaired, be sure to do that.

 

[Vlad123]

Did you set the bombers to only target airfields?
Put all of your fighters there to escort them as well.
Ideally you'd be using strat bombers, not TACs, but it can be done with both, the difference being the time and numbers required for the task.
Initially it'll be pretty slow, but as you damage more and more airfields, their capacity to disrupt your bombers will be lower and lower, and the damage will be higher and higher.
If their state AA is also being an issue it'd be good to bomb them as well.
I haven't tried bombing radar before, but it's also an important part of air combat, so I figure it could an option.
The idea is to overwhelm them by destroying airfields faster than they can be repaired, be sure to do that.

Never used the strat (apart from the nukes), are they really that effective?

 

[Vohen]

Never used the strat (apart from the nukes), are they really that effective?

They can be downright broken depending on how you use them.
Most MP servers with rules straight up ban them due to that.
Germany usually can't get to that level, as they have to prioritize the army and other types of aircraft as well, but in SP anything is possible.

To put it into numbers, 1936 STRATs, which are the ones you'll likely have available at the start of the war, are ~50% more cost effective than the equivalent TAC.
The 1940 model, which is the one you'll likely be using on most of your playthrough, is almost 2x as cost effective.
That's not the whole story though, when you're deploying aircraft by the thousands numbers really matter, as one TAC takes as much space on an airfield as a STRAT (don't ask me how ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ ).
On that front, STRATs are by far the most effective, as for the 1940 models the damage output ratio is 3-1 in their favor.

 

[Vlad123]

They can be downright broken depending on how you use them.
Most MP servers with rules straight up ban them due to that.
Germany usually can't get to that level, as they have to prioritize the army and other types of aircraft as well, but in SP anything is possible.

To put it into numbers, 1936 STRATs, which are the ones you'll likely have available at the start of the war, are ~50% more cost effective than the equivalent TAC.
The 1940 model, which is the one you'll likely be using on most of your playthrough, is almost 2x as cost effective.
That's not the whole story though, when you're deploying aircraft by the thousands numbers really matter, as one TAC takes as much space on an airfield as a STRAT (don't ask me how ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ ).
On that front, STRATs are by far the most effective, as for the 1940 models the damage output ratio is 3-1 in their favor.

So can I LITERALLY raze a country to the ground?

 

[HugsAndSnuggles]

Enemy ships in port, ready to sally out and smash your army the minute you send them out on leaky barges, deterring naval invasions does actually make sense.

Except, to actually do that in game they have to be on convoy raiding duty >.>

 

[Vohen]

So can I LITERALLY raze a country to the ground?

That has been LITERALLY the description used for it, yes.
I mean, given enough bombers you can pretty much delete a country's entire industry.
It's not a strategy I enjoy very much but I remember that it wasn't very hard to get the ridiculous amount of bombers to do it.
Now, getting enough bombers to only get air superiority in Britain, that I find to be far more reasonable at least.

I don't think even nukes are as destructive as STRATs in this game actually, as you'd need to drop several nukes on every state of the enemy every few months to achieve a similar result.
The cost of reactors needed for that would probably be much greater than the MILs invested on STRATs.

 

[Vlad123]

That has been LITERALLY the description used for it, yes.
I mean, given enough bombers you can pretty much delete a country's entire industry.
It's not a strategy I enjoy very much but I remember that it wasn't very hard to get the ridiculous amount of bombers to do it.
Now, getting enough bombers to only get air superiority in Britain, that I find to be far more reasonable at least.

I don't think even nukes are as destructive as STRATs in this game actually, as you'd need to drop several nukes on every state of the enemy every few months to achieve a similar result.
The cost of reactors needed for that would probably be much greater than the MILs invested on STRATs.

WOW

 

[demon72]

Did you set the bombers to only target airfields?
Put all of your fighters there to escort them as well.
Ideally you'd be using strat bombers, not TACs, but it can be done with both, the difference being the time and numbers required for the task.
Initially it'll be pretty slow, but as you damage more and more airfields, their capacity to disrupt your bombers will be lower and lower, and the damage will be higher and higher.
If their state AA is also being an issue it'd be good to bomb them as well.
I haven't tried bombing radar before, but it's also an important part of air combat, so I figure it could an option.
The idea is to overwhelm them by destroying airfields faster than they can be repaired, be sure to do that.

Did you set the bombers to only target airfields?

yes


Put all of your fighters there to escort them as well.

no, just to air-priority in that region - does this make the difference?


But how does britain got that insane amount of 10k fighters in early 1941?!

After a 24 month air-battle for britain and thanks to the tip with the harbour-bombing, britain has fallen in mid 43...

 

[Hjalfnar]

Have fun invading the US.

 

[Sbrubbles]

They can be downright broken depending on how you use them.
Most MP servers with rules straight up ban them due to that.
Germany usually can't get to that level, as they have to prioritize the army and other types of aircraft as well, but in SP anything is possible.

To put it into numbers, 1936 STRATs, which are the ones you'll likely have available at the start of the war, are ~50% more cost effective than the equivalent TAC.
The 1940 model, which is the one you'll likely be using on most of your playthrough, is almost 2x as cost effective.
That's not the whole story though, when you're deploying aircraft by the thousands numbers really matter, as one TAC takes as much space on an airfield as a STRAT (don't ask me how ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ ).
On that front, STRATs are by far the most effective, as for the 1940 models the damage output ratio is 3-1 in their favor.

From what I've played, strats are banned in MP because of Allies bombing Axis, in no small part because you can set the whole of US production on it. I have my doubts that Germany can produce enough fighters to win the air war, enough bombers to actually execute the strategy AND do this before invading the USSR (or the USSR becoming a problem).

 

[Vohen]

From what I've played, strats are banned in MP because of Allies bombing Axis, in no small part because you can set the whole of US production on it. I have my doubts that Germany can produce enough fighters to win the air war, enough bombers to actually execute the strategy AND do this before invading the USSR (or the USSR becoming a problem).

I mean, yeah it's basically what I said.

Germany usually can't get to that level, as they have to prioritize the army and other types of aircraft as well, but in SP anything is possible.

In SP anything flies, depending on what you do.
Germany can even do with only a handful of tank divisions and without CAS, or delay barbarossa for a while if you really need the extra time to produce bombers.

 

[Kazakk]

Mine the channel, air superiority + naval bombers. It's really easy.