Inheriting vassals of annexed countries is insanity

[Beagá]

So in my Spain game for emperor run, I went to the Aztecs and fully annexed them in one war, not taking anything from their 5 vassals.

The result?

I got FIVE USELESS VASSALS than i can only liberate in 10 years aafter the truce is over! Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Now I´m doomed to a paltry 3 diplo gain for 10 years, and diplo vassalizing such mediocre things is a bad taste joke. I´ll have to liberate them all.

Don´t give me a 10 year truce at least make it 5... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

 

[BadOrc]

Its just like prison, if you kill a daddy his wifes are yours.

 

[lambda x.x]

offer to lose your vassals through war. Except if you're a hegemon. Then you're screwed and have to wait.

 

[holyvigil]

It's quite useful if you know it exists. For mexico though you should get the vassals first and the overlord last.

 

[Blust]

Well I thought this was a great idea since I used that as my opening move as Nagaur : full annex Delhi, get Sirhind for free

 

[Alyosha]

The Nahuatl vassal mechanic is one of the worst “features” of this game.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

The mechanic can be frustrating, but it can also be really useful. What is needed is something clearly alerting the player as to what will happen.

 

[Alyosha]

The mechanic can be frustrating, but it can also be really useful. What is needed is something clearly alerting the player as to what will happen.

For clarity I’m specifically writing about how in order for Nahuatl states to grow they have to spit our vassals a few times over. It makes the conquest of Mexico utter tedium.

If however there was provided an incentive to annex the chief state in the region (let’s say the Aztecs) and trigger an event absorbing all its vassals that would be interesting and much more fun for the player (it would also reduce any overextension for the CN).

 

[Battlex]

So in my Spain game for emperor run, I went to the Aztecs and fully annexed them in one war, not taking anything from their 5 vassals.

The result?

I got FIVE USELESS VASSALS than i can only liberate in 10 years aafter the truce is over! Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Now I´m doomed to a paltry 3 diplo gain for 10 years, and diplo vassalizing such mediocre things is a bad taste joke. I´ll have to liberate them all.

Don´t give me a 10 year truce at least make it 5... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

It's really good in the ME where you just conquer a regional and get all his vassals. Timurids get ardalan for free this way
You can release the vassals in the peace deal, or leave a recs alive with a single province

For clarity I’m specifically writing about how in order for Nahuatl states to grow they have to spit our vassals a few times over. It makes the conquest of Mexico utter tedium.

If however there was provided an incentive to annex the chief state in the region (let’s say the Aztecs) and trigger an event absorbing all its vassals that would be interesting and much more fun for the player (it would also reduce any overextension for the CN).

You kind of need them to be a loose confederation for ease of European expansion tho, especially with manpower across seas change

 

[Alyosha]

You kind of need them to be a loose confederation for ease of European expansion tho, especially with manpower across seas change

I don’t follow. The vassal swarm brings more troops to bear than a single tag would in most cases. The tech disparity at contact is usually just fine to deal with these (tedious) stacks. The issue comes down to war score and taking provinces. One can either eat up some of the vassal states and leave the leader or take the leader’s provinces with the risk of inheriting dead weight primitives.

 

[klingonadmiral]

It's really good in the ME where you just conquer a regional and get all his vassals. Timurids get ardalan for free this way

Timurids can't eat Ajam in a single war, especially since you want to take Luristan for that massive earlygame cash boost.

But before 1.30, Jaunpur could eat Delhi and get SIrhind for free, which made it the by far best Indian tag.

Nowadays though, the former #2 tag has taken the reins, and it pulls off something similar.

 

[Vin55]

As Timurid you can also diplo vasall half of the smaller guys after you pulled of the max dip annex^^ . But the best part of this is if you 100percent a colonizer you get all. I would extent that to trade house holding. Makes no sense to have England in a trade house still fighting if mainland was lost. I once had a muslim hre emperor because of that ^^. (killed Frisia in Europe he got rebels and bam had a sunni emperor)