Inheriting countries and vassals with vassals....

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I several games where I was playing England I have inherited the crown of Navarra when the current king died without an heir. Some questions about this:

1.) Is it necessary to vassalize the country in question? I beleive it is.

2.) Is the death without and heir event scripted as an historical event? I get the impression that it is, at least in the case of Navarra.

3.) Is it possible to inherit a minor country which historicly had no king? Venice or the Hanse would be historical examples. Do all countries have kings in this game, regardless of history?

By the way, if you can inherit Navarra in this manner, it makes a very handy base for expansion into Spain and southern France.


In another game, again playing as England, I managed to vassalize Saxony. Saxony itself had previously vassilized Wittemburg.

1.) Is the vassal of a vassal also the vassal of the primary vassalizing nation (England in this case)? Does England get any benefit from the income of the sub-vassal (Wittemburg in this case)?

2.) Is it impossible to annex a country which itself has vassals? I found this to be the case with Saxony. All other factors were in place (common religion, common border, vassalization,190+ relations). But Saxony refused annexation where other larger states (Brandenburg, Bohemia) fell like dominos.

 

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I have often inherited non-vassals... in some cases I'm not even sure they were allies, though they were always high-relations and in RMs with me. England often inherits Hannover; I once inherited Portugal as Venice, and Austria as Spain; Austria often inherits Hungary and/or Bohemia; and I've inherited several countries in different games as France. And in one (earlier version) IGC game as the USA, I inherited Scotland.

And yes, it's possible to inherit countries that did not have kings. The game treats them the same. I inherited Genoa once - which (we all know from discussion elsewhere) is a republic. The game treats all country's rulers as if they were kings - even in the elective republics, it says they died when they leave office. (Again Genoa as an example - came up in discussions of Isaac Brock's Genoa AAR).

The inheritances are generally not hard-coded, though I have heard that theremay be one or two that are. (Someone once told me there's one around 1707 for England to inherit Scotland, and one at some other time for Austria to inherit Hungary. I haven't played enough games out in which these countries survived that long to be sure one way or the other.)

But to answer your question more sussinctly - you can inherit non-vassals, but it does require most (if not all - I'm not sure about alliance) of the same requirements.

 

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Originally posted by Black Cleopatra
I several games where I was playing England I have inherited the crown of Navarra when the current king died without an heir. Some questions about this:

1.) Is it necessary to vassalize the country in question? I beleive it is.

>>>> No.

2.) Is the death without and heir event scripted as an historical event? I get the impression that it is, at least in the case of Navarra.

>>>> No, it's quite random.

3.) Is it possible to inherit a minor country which historicly had no king? Venice or the Hanse would be historical examples. Do all countries have kings in this game, regardless of history?

>>>> Yup, all are treated the same (bar the pope and knights)


By the way, if you can inherit Navarra in this manner, it makes a very handy base for expansion into Spain and southern France.


In another game, again playing as England, I managed to vassalize Saxony. Saxony itself had previously vassilized Wittemburg.

1.) Is the vassal of a vassal also the vassal of the primary vassalizing nation (England in this case)? Does England get any benefit from the income of the sub-vassal (Wittemburg in this case)?

>>>> Nope. But the vassal pays to its overlord which increases the overlord income so he should pay more to u.

2.) Is it impossible to annex a country which itself has vassals? I found this to be the case with Saxony. All other factors were in place (common religion, common border, vassalization,190+ relations). But Saxony refused annexation where other larger states (Brandenburg, Bohemia) fell like dominos.

>>>> Yup.