Is it possible to mod it so that the holder of a Viceroyalty doesn't pass on a Strong Claim to his sons when the title reverts to his liege?
Inheriting Claims on Viceroyalties
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Maybe, but wouldn't removing it make Viceroyalties extremely OP?
I mean, you would then have to fear no conseqences at all once you get the title back.
The issue isn't so much the strong claims as the fact that at least in CKII+, that then means that the son of a viceroy who has enough counties in his area and enough money (and yes, sons of viceroys frequently have both of those things) can instantly usurp the title from you, their liege, which by the way removes the title from being a viceroyalty entirely.
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Ok, now that is a serious issue.
And in my opinion this should not be possible. You might even want to report it as a bug, if no mod dev sees this right away.
Not sure if this is a vanilla problem though, and whether it can be fixed.
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I wasn't aware that it was possible to usurp titles from your liege. It shouldn't be. Pretty sure that's hardcoded. Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think so.
I know you can't usurp titles that are the same rank or higher then your liege i.e a count can't usurp a duke or higher title if his liege is a duke but if we are dealing with emperors maybe there was an oversight because a lot of the time all you need to usurp a title within the realm is a strong claim
it is most certainly possible if you are an emperor and a count vassal has the claim on the duchy/viceroyalty.
Huh. I can get them getting a strong claim, but getting it usurped is pretty bad. Better if it forces a war if he usurps it?
Not sure why this hasn't come up on the vanilla bug forum yet -- it's a vanilla mechanic, after all.
Regardless, yes, you CAN mod it -- but it's not a simple thing to change. You have to fire an event on_death from the viceroy to his children and remove any strong claims they have to the title. I've put this change in for the next version (the children get a weak claim instead, though after one day -- can't be made less than that).
Regardless, yes, you CAN mod it -- but it's not a simple thing to change. You have to fire an event on_death from the viceroy to his children and remove any strong claims they have to the title. I've put this change in for the next version (the children get a weak claim instead, though after one day -- can't be made less than that).
Not sure why. It's a hard-coded vanilla mechanic.
It's probably coming up with reference to viceroys in Plus because we have the viceroy's wealth pass to his real heir and not his liege. Viceroy heirs in vanilla are generally destitute.
i did, several times. the first isauros emperor.
guy had all three counties, and i hadn't set up automatic pause on viceroy's death (may 770)
in a day he usurped the title. of course i could take it back with imperial administration, but that was unnecessary opinion loss.
but that was almost-vanilla 2.4.2 i think. didn't happen to me yet with ck+