Inheritance

[Sbuiko]

Hi everyone

Inheritance is kinda complex, so I have a few questions. Maybe there's an article somewhere that explains some of the odder inheritance happen stances?

Right now, I am the Emperor of the Byzantines. I have High Authority Laws and Agnatic-Cognative Primogeniture. My Heir dies. Now all of my inheritance would go to my second sons, but not all the Kingdoms (about 5 by now), which go to the son of my just deceased first son. I'd expect it to give all my lands either to my nephew or all to my son, not distribute it in a clearly non-random fashion?

Similarly, earlier in the same game (medium authority) I had a problem with inheritance when my Heir (first son) was married to a duchess in Denmark. I died (and became my Son), so now his son was the heir of all of Byzantium as well as Schleswig (Dk). When the Duchess (still my Wive) died, the son inherited the dutchy, but all of the Byzantine lands inheritance suddenly shifted to my brother (a Byzantine subject). I killed my Brother, and the Byzantine inheritance shifted to my second son, instead of my first. I'd expect primogeniture to not switch to seconds in line, ever...

So why would I ever marry dutchesses, if I cannot inherit naturally. The engine seems to disagree with that, and prefers me to use the casus-belies. War is so mind numbing boring in this game, I'd like a way to extend my influence by marriage

 

[Dartheal]

If I had to wager a guess at the first one, all the kingdom titles have their own succession laws. Some might be gavelkind somehow.

As for the second part, I believe it's not a matter of your Crown Authority, so much as Denmark's. High CA affects titles passing through realms, obviously, so while you're at Medium, Denmark might have High. I'd load up as one of Denmark's nobles and check their CA just to be sure.

And it is possible to marry for land, but in my experience, it's easier for rulers to unite countries mid-late game than shuffle duchies around.

 

[perpetualmuse]

Right now, I am the Emperor of the Byzantines. I have High Authority Laws and Agnatic-Cognative Primogeniture. My Heir dies. Now all of my inheritance would go to my second sons, but not all the Kingdoms (about 5 by now), which go to the son of my just deceased first son. I'd expect it to give all my lands either to my nephew or all to my son, not distribute it in a clearly non-random fashion?

What are the inheritance laws of the other kingdoms? Is your grandson heir to anything else outside of Byzantium?

Similarly, earlier in the same game (medium authority) I had a problem with inheritance when my Heir (first son) was married to a duchess in Denmark. I died (and became my Son), so now his son was the heir of all of Byzantium as well as Schleswig (Dk). When the Duchess (still my Wive) died, the son inherited the dutchy, but all of the Byzantine lands inheritance suddenly shifted to my brother (a Byzantine subject). I killed my Brother, and the Byzantine inheritance shifted to my second son, instead of my first. I'd expect primogeniture to not switch to seconds in line, ever...

Since the character was heir to lands outside of your realm, if the Duchess dies first, he will become a vassal of the King of Denmark. If Denmark has high crown authority, the Danish duchy can't pass outside of their realm meaning that he then can't inherit Byzantine lands (as he'd have to take the duchy with him). This will most likely be why the inheritance shifted after the duchess died.

So why would I ever marry dutchesses, if I cannot inherit naturally. The engine seems to disagree with that, and prefers me to use the casus-belies. War is so mind numbing boring in this game, I'd like a way to extend my influence by marriage

It's fine to try to inherit this way, but if the other realm has high crown authority then it's going to be a problem.

 

[Sbuiko]

Uhm just to make that clear those are not "other" kingdoms, they're my kingdoms. So they all have the same inheritance laws as the empire, and they all are medium authority or higher.

 

[Dutchling]

Uhm just to make that clear those are not "other" kingdoms, they're my kingdoms. So they all have the same inheritance laws as the empire, and they all are medium authority or higher.

They can still have different inheritance laws.

 

[Jephery]

Is it that the ERE title follows Born in Purple while your other Kingdom titles don't?

 

[unmerged(494787)]

That seems to be the case, yes. ERE, Duchies, and Counties follow Born in Purple while Kingdom titles don't. While this would make sense for titles outside the De Jure ERE, it makes less sense for say, K_Greece.

 

[Dracko81]

Kingdoms do not follow the succession laws of other crowns. They follow thier own.

Duchies and counties follow the succession law of your primary title. With the exception of elective, and a dynastic family member is not your successor in the election.

 

[Hegix]

As far as I could tell only the Byzantine Empire title follows the "in the pink" inheritance rule. So your oldest son will get your kingdoms while the oldest son in the pink will get the Empire. This happened to me and lead to a bloody succession war.

 

[Dracko81]

As far as I could tell only the Byzantine Empire title follows the "in the pink" inheritance rule. So your oldest son will get your kingdoms while the oldest son in the pink will get the Empire. This happened to me and lead to a bloody succession war.

"in the purple"

"in the pink" would be something else...

 

[icon41gimp]

In the Pink is a trait from Rome Total War similar to Strong here.