Inheritance of personal unions - triggers and modifiers

[Andy 1984]

A thread on inheriting personal unions and how to speed up the process. Some mechanics are clearly stated by the Wiki, others aren't. Well, at least not with regard to HTTT (my experience).

- Positive relationship: obvious, as negative relationships tend to break the PU (wiki is correct here)
- +200 relationship: I'm not sure. I always have +200 relationship with my lesser partner. Better safe than sorry.
- You (the senior partner) should not be at war. The wiki doesn't state this I believe. But I'm quite sure it is a trigger. If you're at war, the PU will just continue. At least it says so when hoovering over the junior monarch's name. So short or no wars at all are your friend. On the other hand: ongoing wars of the junior partner may be ended immediately upon getting in a personal union. At least it seems so to me, but I'm not certain.
- High legitimacy. I have a strong feeling that it affects the chances of inheriting greatly, but am not completely certain of this. When I recently allowed my legitimacy to drop from 100 to 55, I lost my 'France gets inherited by Castile' and got a 'Personal Union will continue'. I haven't been paying too much attention to this in other PUs/Inheritances, but it makes sense. I've upped my legitimacy to 70, but it still states a continuation of the PU.
- Trust: no idea on this one. I haven't been paying too much attention to that.
- BB/Reputation: again, I'm not sure. I try to keep it low, even very low for other reasons. So I can't say whether it really affects chances of inheritance.
- Same culture. As you can't really affect that modifier, I feel it as somewhat unimportant for this thread.
-Chance and luck. Wiki-pages state there is a base chance of 10% to inherit nations with whom you're in a PU. From my own experience, I most often inherit from the second monarch's death onwards (given that all previous triggers are met). This means: the 10% can either be increased by meeting some of the previous triggers (like BB, trust, legitimacy,...), or I was just extremely lucky.



My question: what do you feel/think are the most important triggers for inheriting PUs from your experience?



kind regards,

Andy




Edit: one more thing I noticed. When I got into a PU with France (lucky me!), my own monarch died shortly afterwards. Within the same month. I had no diplomats to spare to up the relationship with France, which must have been very close to zero, though positive. I got into a regency counsel for my 9 year old monarch. France got into a regency counsel for her 6 year old monarch. The Personal Union continued, despite having regency counsels for two different monarchs! I didn't even know that was possible. The next years were about the scariest I could think of. I was afraid my monarch would die, while the French would survive. Or that the French king would have to die for the PU to continue. My child-king did not die, and neither did the French one. Upon the maturity of my little girl, the French 'LouisVI' suddenly disappeared. Apparently the French forgot about him and would now embrace the mighty rule of Maria Incompetentia The First.

(I'm being ruled by girls for about 150 years by now, and I don't like it at all. It's keeping me from the HRE-throne. Any tech-level needed for trans-gender-operations to unlock?)

 

[Brianhjh]

You can do Gender reassignment surgery after Production tech 65. It should appear among national decisions. The prerequisite is having built a Suez canal and having Poland into space.

 

[unmerged(70580)]

The following is my experience from HTTT only, 4.1b patch.

I'm not sure how much of or if infamy is a factor, may well be though.

One thing I have a rather dark suspicion about is religion ... I fear it may be harder, though from others have said not impossible, to inherit nations of other religions. (Obviously these are where you've forced a PU via a spy then war).

Also, I have a nasty feeling that being the leader of the HRE may have a negative effect. My last king died leader of the HRE & with at least 9 nations as PU allies. Did the new King inherit any, no, not a one

The other thing not mentioned here is being at war ... despite what's meant to happern, in HTTT at least, you can forget about inheriting if your king dies during wartime, regardless of whether your PU allies are in it too.

All in all, I'm looking forward to transitioning to DW, once it's perfected, more or less, & my current HTTT game is done, as being able to demand a merger after 50 years will be quite a relief.

 

[corporateslave]

I'm starting to suspect that the diplo rating of your heir has a large impact on the chance of inheritance. Several times now I've had heirs with great diplo ratings inherit very quickly after a PU was formed.

 

[Generalmotors]

Infamy is not good for this. I got a level 8-diplomat king dead and his level 9 diplomat heir took the throne. The personal union with Croatia was terminated. I reloaded that moment in game where the old king died, a lot of reloads , and the union was terminated every time. the infamy was 64-67.

 

[mtrivundza]

I know prestige counts into getting a PU so it may factor into inheriting. Not sure though.

Also if you get excommunicated then the PU will end upon monarch death.

 

[Duskey]

In DW (vanilla or beta, can't remember) you CAN inherit while at war IF the lesser partner is on your side in all current wars.

 

[corporateslave]

In DW (vanilla or beta, can't remember) you CAN inherit while at war IF the lesser partner is on your side in all current wars.

Yes, but I suspect the chances are still greatly reduced. In the DW beta, I almost NEVER inherit if I'm at war, even if it's only war with a horde.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

Infamy is not good for this. I got a level 8-diplomat king dead and his level 9 diplomat heir took the throne. The personal union with Croatia was terminated. I reloaded that moment in game where the old king died, a lot of reloads , and the union was terminated every time. the infamy was 64-67.

Having a lot of infamy won't end the PU. Only negative prestige or low relations will do that. Infamy will, however, lower the chances of inheritance when the king dies.

 

[Pope Thrax]

Has anyone else noticed that if you have multiple PUs you often inherit them at the same time? Also, does anyone know if length of PU has any effect.

 

[corporateslave]

Has anyone else noticed that if you have multiple PUs you often inherit them at the same time? Also, does anyone know if length of PU has any effect.

The number of PUs doesn't seem to have any negative or positive effect on your inheritance chances, at least in my experience.

The length of a PU, however, certainly does impact your chances of inheritance. The longer you've been in the union, the greater the chance of inheritance.

 

[unmerged(80402)]

I think that if you have low relations with your PU(like if they are bigger), if you want to keep this PU you should be at wars, best if you will loose it - i mean - they will loose it - because if they will loose their lands and armies, they will not anymore send you insults. At least as you will keep being stronger. That is why i think lithuania should be not so much stronger than poland... Because it leads to situation where the union always end. Almost - if you will do everything you can to kill them with WE and fighting with strong enemies they could not end it. Or else - lithuania should be senior partner. As it was in reality - Jagiełło was lithuanian. So the unions should not be static... in the meaning that the country that is politicaly stronger should become the main center of the union - at least some times.

 

[Kalashkov]

I think having a high DIP rating also effects your chances, so just add a million OPM's to your sphere of influence and see what happens

 

[glen55]

I always concentrate on building up spheres of influence, to the extent that I spend my prestige on buying a new sphere as soon as it is possible.

Consequently, I generally have a pretty high diplo rating from fairly early on.

In my experience, once my diplo rating is very high (I'd say roughly 25 or more spheres), I ALWAYS inherit when my monarch dies if (1) relations with the lesser partner are positive, and (2) neither of us is at war (I'm not sure what happens if one but not the other is at war; I ally my PUs, so I really don't have experience with that situation).

For this and other reasons, I can't recommend sphering up too strongly. Get as many spheres as you can, as fast as you can. The benefits are manifold.

 

[wojcieh]

Does the size of country matters? Or maybe difficulty level?