Inheritance dilemma

[Asantahene]

Hi guys

I'm playing Aquitaine and feeling rather smug now that, in 1220, I've created an Empire consisting of most of France and about a quarter of Spain

The issue is that the empire has Agnatic Gavelkind as its succession law which means that though my 2nd son is set to inherit the empire he will lose all his Counties and Duchies to the son of his older brother who is disinherited as he's the Grandmaster of the Hospitaller Monks...the Kingdom of Aquitaine, meanwhile, goes to one of the Emperor's brothers at the moment since its on Agnatic-Elective. I have yet to form the Kingdoms of Brittanny, Frisia and Aragon, which will make the constituent parts to go with Aquitaine but am almost in a position to do so.

All very annoying. I'm doing my damnedest to getting High Crown Auth for the Empire that will allow me to pass Primo but there is considerable opposition from my vassals and it's nowhere near being passed.

I'm playing with all DLCs less Conclave

Any thoughts or ideas guys?

 

[Avalon8782]

Conclave makes changing inheritance and kingdom laws much simpler.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Conclave is your friend. It makes the U.I. better so you can see things like this much more easily.

You can kill your grandson, so that's what I would do. That'd make your heir the only one, which would prevent the empire from splitting!

 

[Mythtern5]

Whats wrong with elective succession? Even after they nerfed it its still the best succession form imo

 

[Secret Master]

Swap to elective for your empire now. Work on a better law for the next generation. It's your only hope.

Sometimes we can't get everything we want in a single reign, and this looks like it's one of those times.

 

[Asantahene]

Conclave is your friend. It makes the U.I. better so you can see things like this much more easily.

You can kill your grandson, so that's what I would do. That'd make your heir the only one, which would prevent the empire from splitting!

Aha! I hadn't thought of this...however surely those domains would just revert to the Grandson's brother?

 

[Asantahene]

Swap to elective for your empire now. Work on a better law for the next generation. It's your only hope.

Sometimes we can't get everything we want in a single reign, and this looks like it's one of those times.

I think it might be my only hope...my worry is that what has played out in the Kingdom of Aquitaine, which us Elective, will play out in the Empire: the lords will opt for one of the Emperors many brothers, all powerful magnates, rather than one of his sons

Plus I thought that each Dukedom in the said system affords you 1 vote? So far I've only ever been given 1 vote regardless?

 

[Asantahene]

Whats wrong with elective succession? Even after they nerfed it its still the best succession form imo

I kind of want my son to succeed...

 

[Secret Master]

Plus I thought that each Dukedom in the said system affords you 1 vote? So far I've only ever been given 1 vote regardless?

Each character can only have one vote to cast in elective inheritance no matter how many duchies the person holds.

But you can grant elector titles to the son you want to inherit, and he will vote for himself.

 

[Asantahene]

Each character can only have one vote to cast in elective inheritance no matter how many duchies the person holds.

But you can grant elector titles to the son you want to inherit, and he will vote for himself.

Yeah I realised that. Ok so if I turn the Empire into Elective who are the Electors? I haven't formed any of the Kingdoms yet!

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Aha! I hadn't thought of this...however surely those domains would just revert to the Grandson's brother?

I'm not entirely sure on that one, if it does, just murder him.

 

[Secret Master]

Yeah I realised that. Ok so if I turn the Empire into Elective who are the Electors? I haven't formed any of the Kingdoms yet!

All de jure dukes and kings.

 

[Asantahene]

All de jure dukes and kings.

Ahhh the Dukes too huh? And presumably Kings only get 1 vote like the Dukes?

Thanks so far for the responses guys. Makes me think I'll try going Elective and make my heir one of the kings and see if I can give him a Dukedom too. Presume that'll give him 2 votes?

 

[Asantahene]

I'm not entirely sure on that one, if it does, just murder him.

Hahahaha. Noooo I'm not sure that fits. The Emperor has the kind trait and loves his eldest (The Hospitaller). Wherever possible I try and play them in character. Going full bore psychos on his grandsons just wouldn't be right

Thanks anyway lol

 

[Secret Master]

Ahhh the Dukes too huh? And presumably Kings only get 1 vote like the Dukes?

Thanks so far for the responses guys. Makes me think I'll try going Elective and make my heir one of the kings and see if I can give him a Dukedom too. Presume that'll give him 2 votes?

Nope. Even with a kingdom and duchy, he still gets one vote.

The only time someone gets more than one elective succession vote is if they have voting rights for more than one title. So, if you have elective Francia and elective France, and you are a de jure duke in each, you get one vote for Francia and one for France.

But if your son is a king, he might have an easier time getting others to like him, and swing votes to his side.

 

[VoiceGS]

Hey

Hmm I thought becoming the leader of a Holy Order removes you from inheritance?

In Elective the best way to make sure you want your preferred son to inherit is to grant him a duchy. But, only if the other dukes aren't voting for him already. I only really give my son a county or duchy title when I'm in my late 50's and the dukes are still voting for someone else who ain't my son. But, I haven't had that issue in a long time. Usually only when my son is still a child.

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[Secret Master]

Hmm I thought becoming the leader of a Holy Order removes you from inheritance?

It should. I use that loophole all the time to dump bad heirs.

"Daddy, I want to join the Templars!"

"Son, you are an inbred hunchback with a penchant for torturing small animals. You are also my eldest son and current valid heir."

"So, does that mean you won't let me? I'll be so sad."

"Are you kidding me? Go be happy in the Templars, you wonderful son! Make me proud!"

 

[Asantahene]

It should. I use that loophole all the time to dump bad heirs.

"Daddy, I want to join the Templars!"

"Son, you are an inbred hunchback with a penchant for torturing small animals. You are also my eldest son and current valid heir."

"So, does that mean you won't let me? I'll be so sad."

"Are you kidding me? Go be happy in the Templars, you wonderful son! Make me proud!"

Yes the eldest is the Grandmaster thus his eldest now stands to gain all the current emperor's counties and Duchies. The empire meanwhile is going to the 2nd son. It's the 2nd son who I'd like to get the lot but Primo seems, at the moment to be beyond me