Inheritance and CA reworked?

[unmerged(281782)]

So, the problem is basically this. I'm an Emperor of Byzantine with Absolute CA. I was sure that High and Absolute CA means I can't lose land through inheritance. But lo and behold, one of my dukes inherits united Kingdom of Poland and Hungary, automatically becoming independent and snatching two of my duchies with him. And yes, I've checked, both Poland and Hungary have low CA.

I'm pretty sure that was a way to abuse it before (making future king outside the realm your vassal count), but this fix of a problem isn't any better.

 

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Which two duchies did he take with him?

 

[DLFebin]

Was that duke your direct vassal or a vassal under your vassal king?

 

[unmerged(281782)]

He was my direct vassal, Doux of Dukja and Armenia Minor.

Also I've notice couple of counts (both direct and indirect vassals) breaking free or going under another liege after inheriting duchies. At the same time, inheritance of same-rank titles goes as intended (doukes inheriting duchies and despots inheriting kingdoms).

 

[JonStryker]

He was my direct vassal, Doux of Dukja and Armenia Minor.

Also I've notice couple of counts (both direct and indirect vassals) breaking free or going under another liege after inheriting duchies. At the same time, inheritance of same-rank titles goes as intended (doukes inheriting duchies and despots inheriting kingdoms).

Do the kingdoms of Serbia and Armenia exist?

 

[unmerged(281782)]

Yes, Serbia exists, but why would that affect it? It's plainly weird.

 

[Thure]

Yes, Serbia exists, but why would that affect it? It's plainly weird.

Then they are under the CA of the King of Serbia. Serbia had it's own CA. And all Dukes and Counts in Serbia use this CA and not yours if I'm right.

 

[unmerged(281782)]

Then they are under the CA of the King of Serbia. Serbia had it's own CA. And all Dukes and Counts in Serbia use this CA and not yours if I'm right.

Oh, I see your point. I've checked it, Serbia has High CA, still shall prevent outside inheritances.

 

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I've noticed this problem really long time ago and guess this still exist. I remember situation when I had Italy and one of my direct vassal was a count in Sardinia. HRE had absolute Crown Law but when his vassal Duke of Lower Lotharingia revolted, there was a problem with succesion in Sardinia cause my Crown Law (and HRE one) didn't prevent my vassal from inheriting Duchy and getting away from me. Later I noticed that same problem exist with independent realm, but only when lower level vassal inheriting higher title...

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

Trying to get my head around this...

So in a static situation, the Doux is your direct vassal and as such his heir can not be from outside your realm right?

However the Doux himself inherits a higher title outside of your control. He becomes King of Poland and is no longer your vassal. As he was Doux before he must have been Doux for both Duchies you lost right?

As the game is working, the Doux (now independent King) takes "his" lands with him. They did not pass our of your realm through inheritance but rather a change in status of the current liege of those lands. The same thing would have happened if the Doux could have Usurped the title instead of inheriting it wouldn't it?

It just feels to me that this could be a valid loophole in the (pretty tight) feudal contract at absolute crown authority. I suppose it could be also considered fair that the Doux has to abdicate his Doux title to take-up the title of independent King (and maybe gets claims on is old Duchies) if you are on Higher or Absolute Crown Authority...

 

[unmerged(281782)]

Trying to get my head around this...

So in a static situation, the Doux is your direct vassal and as such his heir can not be from outside your realm right?

However the Doux himself inherits a higher title outside of your control. He becomes King of Poland and is no longer your vassal. As he was Doux before he must have been Doux for both Duchies you lost right?

As the game is working, the Doux (now independent King) takes "his" lands with him. They did not pass our of your realm through inheritance but rather a change in status of the current liege of those lands.

That's right.

The same thing would have happened if the Doux could have Usurped the title instead of inheriting it wouldn't it?

Not exactly, he couldn't usurp it as he can't wage war himself (but that would be a possibility while CA is just High). And in case I press his claim myself, he remains my vassal. Too bad it can't recognise I was the one to push him up in the succession line by other means o

It just feels to me that this could be a valid loophole in the (pretty tight) feudal contract at absolute crown authority. I suppose it could be also considered fair that the Doux has to abdicate his Doux title to take-up the title of independent King (and maybe gets claims on is old Duchies) if you are on Higher or Absolute Crown Authority...

Yes, and yes. Maybe even he should get a choice — abdicate from kingdom or from duchies. Of course the best would be possibility of separate lieges for different titles, but that's impossible with current engine and we shouldn't go there yet again.

 

[Talq]

Yep thats exactly whats happened, high CA doesn't protect from stuff being popped out of the realm due to the owner inheriting other stuff and changing status (although it is at some level an issue in the CK design, as he 'should' still be doing fealty to you for the two duchies).