iv seen this pop a few times, and being completely new (coming from hoi2DD) i wanted to know how to do this....is this just a country annexing a vassal through diplomacy or what?
inherit the throne?
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Wanted to know about this too. If I arrange a royal marriage, will I get a pop up if I have chance to inherit? Also, there is a diplomatic option called "Claim Throne". What's that? And does it have anything to do with inheriting the country, royal marriages etc..?
The tooltip for "Claim throne" says it gives you a Casus Belli on the target nation but ruins relations with all other nations with whom you have a royal marriage. If I remember correctly. And I've never tried it myself, so I'm not sure what exactly it does to your relations with other countries.
appears to be random, but yes from what ive read, you have a chance to inherit another kingdom apparently if you have a royal marriage with the principal in question, and they meet certain err ends...then you have a chance.
Ok let me explain Royal Marriages and Monarchies in Eu3 since they have changed a bit since 2
You have 4 nations in the game.. Nation A,B,C and D.
Nation A has a royal marriage with Nation B and Nation C
Nation D has no royal marriages
So the ruler of Nation A dies.
Several things can happen to Nation A
First off they can just get a new ruler as usual
You can get a Regency Council - basically a bunch of your nobles get togeather and rule for a few years till a new king comes of age
They can also enter a personal union with either Nation B or Nation C - A personal union is similar to being a temporary vassal- this lasts until your new ruler is old enough to rule on his own
Nation A can also be inherited by Nation B or Nation C - Players are immune to this but basically when a nation is inherited their nation is automatically annexed into the new nation.
Finally a succession war can occur - you have to choose to side with Nation B or nation C and go to war-- not pretty
Now if Nation D has a ruler die than they can get the regular ruler, or regency council but none of the others - its a choice for you if you want to risk a succession war or being in a personal union for a chance to inherit...
now... the Claim Throne button is completely unrelated - basically if Nation A wants a reason to declare war on Nation B they can gain a casus belli - however Nation C will be REALLY ticked off....
You have 4 nations in the game.. Nation A,B,C and D.
Nation A has a royal marriage with Nation B and Nation C
Nation D has no royal marriages
So the ruler of Nation A dies.
Several things can happen to Nation A
First off they can just get a new ruler as usual
You can get a Regency Council - basically a bunch of your nobles get togeather and rule for a few years till a new king comes of age
They can also enter a personal union with either Nation B or Nation C - A personal union is similar to being a temporary vassal- this lasts until your new ruler is old enough to rule on his own
Nation A can also be inherited by Nation B or Nation C - Players are immune to this but basically when a nation is inherited their nation is automatically annexed into the new nation.
Finally a succession war can occur - you have to choose to side with Nation B or nation C and go to war-- not pretty
Now if Nation D has a ruler die than they can get the regular ruler, or regency council but none of the others - its a choice for you if you want to risk a succession war or being in a personal union for a chance to inherit...
now... the Claim Throne button is completely unrelated - basically if Nation A wants a reason to declare war on Nation B they can gain a casus belli - however Nation C will be REALLY ticked off....
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Faruk said:
I just inherited Castille as England. I do wish I has been able to keep playing.
Maya also inherited the Aztecs when I killed their king in battle. Again, playing as England.
Strager said:
-Can you control the army of a country who are in personal union with you ? if not, can you mod. it ? (Is the option "military control" exist in EU3 ?)
-I'm not sure to understand "this lasts until your new ruler is old enough to rule on his own". This seem to make no sence at all...
Strager said:
-Can we mod. this probability to eliminate it for exemple ? (So you can't inherit a nation directly, you should before have a personal union with it).
No - however it's pretty crippling to them - it's pretty similar to being a vassal.Captain Frakas said:
I'm not sure about this - i'll look into it in final release and add it to the Event Guide I'm planning if you can
Basicly at a random point (increasing with age)the game will decide your ruler is no longer a kid and he is coordinated.
Again not sure - i'll have to look into this one as well... this should be possible however as you can add new governments.
Thank you for your answers Strager,
I don't understand why your ruler is a kid in personnal union.
This feature work find for regency (where the monarch is a king and the sovreign is another guy until the monarch is old enough to rule) but have no sence for personnal union (where the monarch is adult and sovreign of two country. His son will also rule the two country. His grandson too. Etc. Etc.).
Strager said:
I don't understand why your ruler is a kid in personnal union.
This feature work find for regency (where the monarch is a king and the sovreign is another guy until the monarch is old enough to rule) but have no sence for personnal union (where the monarch is adult and sovreign of two country. His son will also rule the two country. His grandson too. Etc. Etc.).
Captain Frakas said:
Oh wow I wasn't thinking... been at this too long today-- your right... in a personal union their king is also your king...
So personal union can last ad vitam eternam ? (and can also be broken* I imagine)...
*oops sorry, I don't remind how work my irregular verbs.
*oops sorry, I don't remind how work my irregular verbs.
As I understand it, personal union means their king rules both your countries until your king is old enough to rule. During that time your country is a semi-vassal to their country, am I correct?
And as for the claim throne, do I have to have a royal marriage with the target country to use this option? And if I do will it affect the success possibilities of future royal marriages?
And as for the claim throne, do I have to have a royal marriage with the target country to use this option? And if I do will it affect the success possibilities of future royal marriages?
Mosheer Rommel said:
But in personnal union, Your king IS their king. And their king IS your king. If it work like that, paradox don't have understand what is a "personnal union".
Captain Frakas said:
Aye. A historical personal union would be that between the Stuart dynasty in England and Scotland, or the various Kalmar arrangements.
wasnt that the same in history, a union between sweden denmark and norway. They were ruled by the DAnish king if i remember, i aint that good at history.
Captain Frakas said:
That is how it works in the demo. As Scotland I had a RM with Connaught, and my next king was Connaught's: I was the minor partner in the PU.
During this time I had no ability to declare war or make royal marriages and a few other things were disabled as well. When Connaught's ruler died I got a new king and the PU was dissolved.
Damn...
Can we mod this, so a PU could be disolved after the death of the major partner, but have more chance to continue after it.
Can we mod this, so a PU could be disolved after the death of the major partner, but have more chance to continue after it.
Apparently had I been AI, Connaught could have inherited Scotland -- since I am human the PU was simply dissolved.
I was hoping for a PU with me as senior partner, but haven't had that yet. I wonder if the seniority is simply decided by death order--if Connaught had died before me, would I have (had a chance of) become senior partner in the PU?
I haven't played enough games yet to know what can happen exactly. Thus far I've twice ended up as minor partner in a PU (in different games), never yet as senior partner, or in a succession war or regency.
I was hoping for a PU with me as senior partner, but haven't had that yet. I wonder if the seniority is simply decided by death order--if Connaught had died before me, would I have (had a chance of) become senior partner in the PU?
I haven't played enough games yet to know what can happen exactly. Thus far I've twice ended up as minor partner in a PU (in different games), never yet as senior partner, or in a succession war or regency.
jordarkelf said:
If your king has not died you cannot become a junior member of a union, the junior member is always the country whose king has just died.