Influence should be countered by loyalty

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So far the Estates system looks like it's a pretty good concept, with some nice trade-offs and bonuses, but one thing has been screaming at me from the first second I started playing with the new expansion. No matter how high an estate's loyalty is, they still attempt a coup. This makes absolutely no sense. If they were actually loyal, than they would use their influence to benefit you rather than try and overthrow you. My suggestion as you can probably figure out from the title, is adding an extra check to the disaster or event that disallows it from triggering if their loyalty is over a certain limit. It's a (presumably) simple fix, but one that would solve the only issue that I've seen so far.
 
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That may not be a good idea. If this cap would say be 90% it would be very easy to simply use the grant of land and estates interaction to be at a permanent 90%-100% loyalty. Right now the thing preventing one from spamming the buttons in the interactions tab is that you do not want to be over 80% inluence.
 

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Disloyalty has it's own negative consequences. The disasters are more of a de facto surrender of all control than a coup. There's no violence involved just a total dominance of an interest group over all others in the government of your country.
 
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If I have 3 estates with over 80 influence, what happens then?
if they were all exactly at the same influence and all reached it at exactly the same point in time?

Likely you would end up with whatever disaster is listed first in the logs and the other two would be disabled as you can't have more than 1 disaster at the same time
 

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if they were all exactly at the same influence and all reached it at exactly the same point in time?

Likely you would end up with whatever disaster is listed first in the logs and the other two would be disabled as you can't have more than 1 disaster at the same time
Will try and test that. Must see what each disaster does and stuf like that.
 

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Disloyalty has it's own negative consequences. The disasters are more of a de facto surrender of all control than a coup. There's no violence involved just a total dominance of an interest group over all others in the government of your country.

Sort of like the Lords Appellant in the 1380's?