Influence and forcelimit questions

[User4035]

Overall I don't think influence is that great of an idea group. Only thing that is really viable is the 50% forcelimit to vassals at the end of the group.

But I have an economic question about this.
If you take this, designate your vassal as a march, and maybe even take a 1-3 policies that furthur increase the forcelmit contributions: how the heck are your vassals going to afford fielding that many troops.

Bigger countries get money from trade, production, etc.... But smaller countries income is fairly low.

So I'm just wondering if this idea group is even worth going into? This force limit thing is the one facet you can build off but can it even work?


You could subsidize your vasslas but if your going to have to do that on a regular basis then taking quantity or offensive for your ownforcleimits is probably better.

 

[Cossack_PL]

I heard that 1.8 introduced some bugs to this, but I'm not sure. As overlord you receive a fraction of your vassals' forcelimit as a bonus to yours and subject forcelimit contribution gives you a bonus to it, not to vassals' focelimit.

 

[Path]

It increases your FL, not your subjects'. That said, Influece is an incredibly powerful group, and basically mandatory if you intend to diplo-annex.

 

[ChildeR]

Overall I don't think influence is that great of an idea group. Only thing that is really viable is the 50% forcelimit to vassals at the end of the group.

:blink:

Integrated Elites (-25% diplo annex cost and thus time) is the main reason to take it, IMO, with -20% AE, +2 dip rep and +1 relations also very good. Only the first two ideas are sort of weak.

 

[Cossack_PL]

Reduced time to fabricate claims is also good, as the shorter claim fabrication time, the lower effective risk of being discovered and getting AE from it. With truce scaling you should have usually enough time to claim everything before truce ends, but sometimes (before you get embassy or other ways to get more diplomats) this also may help with getting your claims on time.

 

[inche Lautaro]

I'm playing Barnadenburg to Prussia now, the goal is to force vassalize France AFTER 1800. I'm playing very agresivly, all my neibours and rivals are in coalition against me. My only ally is Muscovy and Austria (not for long, the reformation have just started and I'm converting to reformed asap). At one point I was able to Force vasalize Hansa, then I feed them with 2 provinces (Saxe Lauenburg and Luneburg) and... I relesed them as march. Now, I know you might be thinking that was a stupid move. I could have dominate the Lubeck trade node with their sweet provinces. But I think that it would actualy strenghten Denmark presence there, not to mention that I would have a direct border and thus the tension it generates. So I have the march Hansa and I finished the influence idea set (remember, they have 4 provinces) and you know what? Hansa now has 15 heavy ships and lots of other as well, their land force is above 40 000 men. They actualy have biger army than me... and I did not pressed the +50% policy yet. I'm gona keep them around for a long time as my march vasal