Infantry Tech Tree *Japan

[Darkath]

No variants for infantry equipment exist however.

Are you sure about that ?

 

[dav77-b]

Are you sure about that ?

I read aswell that there are no variants for INF weapons. But it is moddable and we are still alpha. Stuff can change. But Companies can
influence stats.

 

[Centerbe]

Here is my go at the Italian infantry tech tree, if anyone knows of a possible Italian recoilless weapon let me know

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I will have the personal carriers done by tonight ( hopefully )

No idea of recoilless italian weapons during ww2, but about automatic rifle italy had Armaguerra Mod. 39.
Similar to M1 Garand or Walther Gewehr 43, but not gas operated.

The weapon, with auto or semi-auto shooting, working with short recoil of the barrel and locking swinging: the barrel and the shutter recoil together for about 10 mm; then the shutter was continuing its rearward ejecting the spent cartridge. The feeding was done by inserting from above the plate by 6 strokes (common to Mod.91 / 38), which flowed by gravity when the shutter inserted the last cartridge. A special feature of the weapon was the 'absence of bolt handle: to arm the' shutter had to act on the shirt front of the belt, which may not retreated to the shot. Before this bridge was the release lever shutter, which remained open after the last shot. The rear sight was set at 300 meters. Could fit both the saber-bayonet Mod. 1891 bayonet Mod. 1938.

 

[Vonboe]

No idea of recoilless italian weapons during ww2, but about automatic rifle italy had Armaguerra Mod. 39.
Similar to M1 Garand or Walther Gewehr 43, but not gas operated.

The weapon, with auto or semi-auto shooting, working with short recoil of the barrel and locking swinging: the barrel and the shutter recoil together for about 10 mm; then the shutter was continuing its rearward ejecting the spent cartridge. The feeding was done by inserting from above the plate by 6 strokes (common to Mod.91 / 38), which flowed by gravity when the shutter inserted the last cartridge. A special feature of the weapon was the 'absence of bolt handle: to arm the' shutter had to act on the shirt front of the belt, which may not retreated to the shot. Before this bridge was the release lever shutter, which remained open after the last shot. The rear sight was set at 300 meters. Could fit both the saber-bayonet Mod. 1891 bayonet Mod. 1938.

Yes, it's actually the Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39 I'm using as the tech 3 rifle

Here is list
Tech1: Carcano + SIPE grenade
Tech2: Beretta Model 38 + lanciabombe controcarro 60 mm
Tech3: Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39 + Bomba a Mano "L"

Also I've updated the front page with all of the infantry tech trees so far

JAPAN

ITALY

DENMARK

POLAND

 

[Centerbe]

Yes, it's actually the Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39 I'm using as the tech 3 rifle

Here is list
Tech1: Carcano + SIPE grenade
Tech2: Beretta Model 38 + lanciabombe controcarro 60 mm
Tech3: Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39 + Bomba a Mano "L"

Also I've updated the front page with all of the infantry tech trees so far

JAPAN

ITALY

DENMARK

POLAND

Very nice.

But in the icon of this screenshot the rifle have a magazine under the mechanic, armaguerra 39 havent.
Armaguerra use a magazine clip hide inside the rifle, no external magazine under the rifle. And this clip was was inserted from the upper part of the rifle.
I show you some pics of the rifle.

 

[Centerbe]

Ohh sorry i confused japan rifle tech tree with italian one, excuse me

 

[jorishilhorst]

In the danish (and dutch, though it's not been posted by anyone) I'm missing the bicycle infantry. Actually also the japanese apparently:
"In its 1937 invasion of China, Japan employed some 50,000 bicycle troops.|
(for source, check the wiki source list of bicycle infantry)

 

[Denkt]

In the danish (and dutch, though it's not been posted by anyone) I'm missing the bicycle infantry. Actually also the japanese apparently:
"In its 1937 invasion of China, Japan employed some 50,000 bicycle troops.|
(for source, check the wiki source list of bicycle infantry)

I think cavalry represent them and other mobile non motorised infantry.

 

[leeuw]

I would note that in the Italian motorized tech tree there is a typo and an inaccuracy.
The first model should be named "SPA Dovunque 35", not " SPA Dovounque".
Moreover, the icon is the model "SPA Dovunque 35 Protetto", which is a '44 evolution.

SPA Dovunque 35



SPA Dovunque 35 Protetto

 

[FOARP]

You know Japan's small arm situation was pretty bad. They couldn't manufacture more submachine guns or semi-automatic rifles because they consisted of too many parts. I read somewhere that had Japan done that they would have lost the war by 1942.

I think it will be an interesting choice for Japan and China players. Do I build the latest small arms from my factories, which means I will be able to produce less guns. Or do I keep producing 1918-1936 model, so that I have enough rifles to arm my divisions. Particularly this is an interesting choice for China, as they barely had enough factories to produce small arms, no factories to produce artillery, tanks or airplanes. Maybe this means Chinese players will have to stick with manufacturing the same 1936 small arms throughout the game to equip 2.2 million soldiers.

Of course, most armies simply armed themselves with the infantry weapons of the first war, or incremental improvements thereon. Even stuff like the STEN (a sub-machine gun that could literally be made anywhere with the most basic metal-working tools) was just a simplified version of a WW1 storm-trooper's weapon (i.e., it was a simplified version of the Sterling SMG, which was a one-for-one copy of the MP28, which was just a re-chambered MP18). China's Zhongzheng rifle was just a 1935 copy of the German 98K (a rifle which, as the name suggests, was first fielded in 1898), a rifle which the Germans themselves used until the end of the war. There was nothing wrong with this - the UK did much the same, continuing with the perfectly serviceable Lee-Enfield rifle, fielded (with some small improvements) since 1904, the Soviet Union actually reversed its plan to equip its soldiers with a semi-automatic rifle in favour of mass-producing the Moisin-Nagant rifle - an marginally improved version of a rifle first fielded in 1891, 50 years before Operation Barbarossa!

Improved small arms available during the war really were only marginally better than the WW1-origin weapons they replaced, and so most armies quite sensibly opted for continuing to mass-produce the same weapons they started the war with. The vast multiplication in soft-attack with new small arms you see in HOI3 is utterly ahistorical. The really revolutionary improvements came in motorised, naval, and aerial warfare, as well as radio communications and logistics.

PS - As all fule know, the Finnish army was way better than the Soviets, so which rifle did they use? That would be . . . . various upgraded versions of the Moisin-Nagant.

 

[Porkman]

FOARP is right. The problem for China wasn't so much the quality of the small arms that they had, (roughly comparable to anyone in WW2) it was the low quantity and lack of extra bits. Chinese divisions had rifles, maybe a few machine guns and some mortars. If they were really lucky, they might have some light artillery.

The Japanese had machine guns, rifles, mortars, light artillery, sufficient medical staff, trained radio operators, logistical support, proper food, a decent training infrastructure, sufficient junior officers etc.

China was low on equipment but the equipment wasn't bad.

I also dug up some stuff about Chinese produced vehicles so people making the infantry tech trees can go wild.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?840988-Indigenous-Chinese-vehicles-before-the-War.