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Judging from some of the recent comments, If you have not seen "Allies at War" I highly recommend you do. I thought it a fascinating look behind the scenes. No leader shines that brightly, in the eyes of the others or in posterity.:)

Thanks for the tip, I'll see if I can find a way to Watch this show.
 

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Well, a battle that might possibly end in a Slovak-German victory and factually correct battle details on the Eastern Front!? :eek: The sound you can hear *door slams* is me running out to buy a lottery ticket! :D

Mind you, it is a 1944 Slovak National Lottery ticket, so winning is worse than losing, because you just wind up with a bunch of useless paper (ie piles of Slovak koruna banknotes) unsuitable even for use as toilet paper and that must be disposed of 350 years before recycling tech is likely to be developed! :rolleyes:
 

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I do sometimes wonder how much shorter the war.
The single-event that I have always wondered about, was that small group of German-officers that made a risky clandestine effort to contact the Brit-government (pre-Poland) to have the madman removed. However, just like Stalin's response to Allied-intel pre-Barbarossa, or his own Generals for that matter...the Brits thought these men were a set-up or a trap. iirc The later English politician Heath asks Peter Ustinov about these guys meeting his father one night, during the "An Evening with Peter Ustinov." The show is on utube and well worth the watch for the man's brilliant-comedy, even without that interesting bit.

Ah, the crystal-clear skies of hindsight.
 

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The Allies have reached Belgium, despite Jurech's best efforts. I'm quite sure it doesn't have anything to do with the 5:2 ratio in Allied-Axis armoured divisions we see in that last screenshot, or the number of "German" divisions present that are actually full of Romanians, Bulgarians or Slovaks. I have full confidence that the Germans will soon push the enemy into the sea.
Well Paris was liberated in August 1944 historically, so the Axis have done an incredible job dragging things out until November. Jurech still has much to be proud of.

Poor Kubela, he reported everything he had and still gets yelled at. That's one technique Slovakia has definetly developed quite well.
Slovakia provides endless opportunities to scream in rage, frustration or disappointment, occasionally all three if the Slovak cabinet is involved, so they are world class yellers.

Hmm 1. Pezi should retreat to get some org. to fight another day.
And the 2. Is faced with the new British Super Heavy Infantry Tank (S.H.I.T) we wish it luck!
2.Pezi is only facing A.34 Comets, not the new S.H.I.Ts. In it's wisdom the British AI has deployed all it's super heavy armour to mucking around the South of France instead of doing something useful.

A baffling development. If I were to ever weave another fabrication, creating division-names like 1st Elite Medium Tanks would be important for Militia and H-ARM garrisons a must. And here I thought my MAR-GAR (codename Rag-Ram) was groundbreaking.:D
In the field of fabricated units and fictional titles the AI is truly worldclass.

I'll rather thank the Providence which preserved them both throughout the war and beyond.:D
There you go being reasonable again. ( :D )

Well, a battle that might possibly end in a Slovak-German victory and factually correct battle details on the Eastern Front!? :eek: The sound you can hear *door slams* is me running out to buy a lottery ticket! :D

Mind you, it is a 1944 Slovak National Lottery ticket, so winning is worse than losing, because you just wind up with a bunch of useless paper (ie piles of Slovak koruna banknotes) unsuitable even for use as toilet paper and that must be disposed of 350 years before recycling tech is likely to be developed! :rolleyes:
I'm fairly sure any winnings from the Slovak lottery would be paid out in coins, there is plenty of metal after all. ;) I also understand the Slovak state never actually got round to re-printing all it's banknotes and even at the end was still using some old Czechoslovak banknotes with red "Slovakia" stamps on.

The single-event that I have always wondered about, was that small group of German-officers that made a risky clandestine effort to contact the Brit-government (pre-Poland) to have the madman removed. However, just like Stalin's response to Allied-intel pre-Barbarossa, or his own Generals for that matter...the Brits thought these men were a set-up or a trap. iirc The later English politician Heath asks Peter Ustinov about these guys meeting his father one night, during the "An Evening with Peter Ustinov." The show is on utube and well worth the watch for the man's brilliant-comedy, even without that interesting bit.

Ah, the crystal-clear skies of hindsight.
It is an interesting question, would any of the replacements to Hitler have been "worse"? Would a more competent leader have made the war last longer by making less terrible decisions, or would they have admitted the truth that Germany had lost without waiting for Soviet tanks in Berlin?

Oh man, that gap in northern France looks dangerous. Good thing the Allies are doing nothing to exploit it.

Is that a Chilean division in Belgium?
The Battle of France is a battle between two inept AIs, each struggling to see who can miss the biggest opportunities and through away the largest advantage. At present Germany is accidentally winning, doubtless down to the heroic Slovaks providing a lynchpin in Paris.

It would be hilarious if it was a Chilean division, alas that is just a very badly out of focus US flag.
 

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Well, it's hard to dislike Churchill. You want unreasonable Af, get me started on Farage or Johnson! ;)

Well...that famine and all those confusing comments about whether fascism was actually a good thing or not, and the very unambiguous colonial attitude with which he viewed the rest of the world, his daft, often insane military ideas, and his personal habits of smoking and drinking and cussing like the devil might make him at least a little unpleasant. No one is perfect and he certainly wasn't. That's not to say he was evil or stupid. Those other two mentioned take his worst qualities and run with them, all the way into government in the latter' case :mad:. If Churchill sometimes had his own view on reality, these two are in a world of their own all the time.
 
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7th November 1944

General Jurech and Colonel Lendvay have relocated to the new Axis headquarters in Paris and are discussing the progress of the battle.

"Are we sure it has started?" Jurech asked his chief of staff.

"The Allies were very insistent they had launched an attack." Lendvay replied.

"But we've not seen any allied bombers and most of their artillery fire has been horribly inaccurate."

"We think they are trying to minimise their use of firepower to protect Paris." Lendvay explained.

"Really? That's unfortunate." Jurech looked concerned.

"Surely this is good for us, sir?" Lendvay asked.

"It is indeed, but have you looked out of the window recently?"

Lendvay paced over to the window and looked down the Champs-Élysées.

"Ahh, I see what you mean." He said.

"Maybe they won't notice?" Jurech optimistically speculated.

"It's quite famous and very large, they will notice." Lendvay shook his head.

"True. But would they miss it? Really? I mean it always seemed out of place." Jurech continued to search for a bright side.

"It did seem more ironic mocking satire than treasured monument." Lendvay admitted.

Their musing was interrupted by the phone ringing. Jurech pointedly refused to move, so Lendvay sighed and answered it.

"You've reached Axis Occupied Paris, if you want to speak to a German I'm afraid all our Panzers are busy launching a counter-attack." He said.

"Damnit!" The Franco-Canadian voice complained. "Haven't you Slovakians got tired of defending Paris yet?"

"Why would we when you haven't done anything yet?" Lendvay asked.

"The cream of our Quebecois and Mexican artillery has been bombarding Paris!" The voice exclaimed.

"Ahhh." Lendvay nodded in understanding.

"What do you mean by that?"

"Well the artillery fire didn't hit us." Lendvay explained.

"What did it hit?" The confused anger radiated from the phone, prompting Lendvay to pass it over to Jurech.

"How attached were you to the Arc de Triomphe?" Jurech gently asked.

"WHAT?!" The voice reached Tuka levels of yelling

"There may have been a bit of wayward shellfire, so it is currently more the Pile de Rubblé." Jurech admitted. "But the French have very little to be triumphant about so hopefully they won't miss it?" He continued.

Jurech held the phone away from his ear until the screaming stopped, then put the phone down.

"They didn't seem happy about that." Lendvay sympathised.

"No they weren't. But on the plus side we can at least report some good news, the Allies have abandoned the attack while they find and courts-martial the artillery unit responsible."

"There's always a silver lining if you look." Lendvay started to compose the message to Bratislava.

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I don't think the Allies were really trying to win this battle - No air support, lots of flanking divisions not used and abandoned after a few hours. However Slovakia must takes it's wins where it can find them.

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Slovakia continues to be the lynchpin of the Axis defence of France. The RAF and fellow air forces are surprisingly absent, or maybe they are just too busy bombing everyone else and ignoring the Slovakians.
 

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The Pile d'Rubble,
(Better than Michael Buble)
Tell me the Allies are inept,
Moreso than I'd ever accept,
And that is why we must drill down to unpack what actually is happiness in today's critical social reality
 

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Yay first comment
I can understand poking fun at the Mexican artillery, but why poke fun at the French Canadian, I mean apart from demanding everything be in French and trying to secede all the time... Oh, never mind.

But on the French having nothing to be triumphant about two points
1. I think Napoleon ordered it before Waterloo
2. The French did beat England last week so that is at least a small triumph (bullying the team that got fifth in the six nations), and they came closest to beating Ireland, but I suppose at the time that hadn't happened yet

On another note maybe the Slovakians should take the Pile De Rubble back to Braslava, it would instantly be come a tourist attraction for all Slovakians to marvel at something so technologically advanced (Slovakia can't have rubble because to have rubble you must first have a big enough building)

I can also foresee some problems when Braslava received word that the allies have stopped attacking to find and courts-martial an artillery crew as I'm not sure they know what that is (or they will probably be wondering how the allies have a new super catapult that can fire at a range of dozens of kilometres (no wait that will be miles, Slovakia is not advanced enough to have the metric system))

Bugger someone commented while I was writing this so not first comment

Furthermore it is my opinion that El Pip should continue with writing For King Haakon and the Fjords
 

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Slovak forces successfully repelling an attack on Paris! This is, like, infinitely times more than the real First Slovak State did during the WW2...

Btw, if RAF got involved, that would mean the Czechoslovak pilots would be attacking Slovak troops on the ground.

And also, have we already discussed that the flag of Slovakia is wrong? If something, the flag should be like this
1024px-Flag_of_First_Slovak_Republic_1939-1945.svg.png
 

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"You've reached Axis Occupied Paris, if you want to speak to a German I'm afraid all our Panzers are busy launching a counter-attack." He said.

"Damnit!" The Franco-Canadian voice complained. "Haven't you Slovakians got tired of defending Paris yet?"

"Why would we when you haven't done anything yet?" Lendvay asked.

"The cream of our Quebecois and Mexican artillery has been bombarding Paris!" The voice exclaimed.

"Ahhh." Lendvay nodded in understanding.

"What do you mean by that?"

"Well the artillery fire didn't hit us." Lendvay explained.

"What did it hit?" The confused anger radiated from the phone, prompting Lendvay to pass it over to Jurech.

"How attached were you to the Arc de Triomphe?" Jurech gently asked.
Brilliant!:D Btw, the mix of those ART units is very Cajun-like. They may not have been used to solid ground.;)
 

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It's a pity that the Eiffel Tower wasn't knocked down, it would've probably tripled Slovakia's scrap metal reserves if carted back to Bratislava (I'm sure that the Germans could lend Slovakia some wooden wheels for this purpose). Perhaps you could have it collapse "accidentally" between battles?
 

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It's a pity that the Eiffel Tower wasn't knocked down, it would've probably tripled Slovakia's scrap metal reserves if carted back to Bratislava (I'm sure that the Germans could lend Slovakia some wooden wheels for this purpose). Perhaps you could have it collapse "accidentally" between battles?

Not to mention the improvement this would be to the Parisian skyline!
 

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A glorious victory for Slovakian arms. Perhaps, given Slovakia’s large metal reserves, they could construct a triumphal arch of their own in Bratislava: in proportion to the victory, so it could be put up in the courtyard of the command bunker/tent/shack/pitiful hovel over the weekend. Wood would suffice if there is not enough tech for basic (ie grade school metal shop standard) metal working.

I hope it’s champagne rather that hip flasks in celebration of this great feat, in both Paris and back in Bratislava (some crates would surely have been looted and sent back to T&T for their personal use).
 

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"There may have been a bit of wayward shellfire, so it is currently more the Pile de Rubblé." Jurech admitted. "But the French have very little to be triumphant about so hopefully they won't miss it?" He continued.

Ah, yes, no AAR is complete without making an appropriate amount of fun of the French! :p

If this keeps up, our old friends T&T may find themselves in a competition for the title of most beloved character duo in this little corner of AARland!
 

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The Pile d'Rubble,
(Better than Michael Buble)
Tell me the Allies are inept,
Moreso than I'd ever accept,
And that is why we must drill down to unpack what actually is happiness in today's critical social reality
Top work finding a rhyme for rubble, who could have expected an appearance from Michael Buble in a Slovakian AAR?

Yay first comment
I can understand poking fun at the Mexican artillery, but why poke fun at the French Canadian, I mean apart from demanding everything be in French and trying to secede all the time... Oh, never mind.

But on the French having nothing to be triumphant about two points
1. I think Napoleon ordered it before Waterloo
2. The French did beat England last week so that is at least a small triumph (bullying the team that got fifth in the six nations), and they came closest to beating Ireland, but I suppose at the time that hadn't happened yet

On another note maybe the Slovakians should take the Pile De Rubble back to Braslava, it would instantly be come a tourist attraction for all Slovakians to marvel at something so technologically advanced (Slovakia can't have rubble because to have rubble you must first have a big enough building)

I can also foresee some problems when Braslava received word that the allies have stopped attacking to find and courts-martial an artillery crew as I'm not sure they know what that is (or they will probably be wondering how the allies have a new super catapult that can fire at a range of dozens of kilometres (no wait that will be miles, Slovakia is not advanced enough to have the metric system))

Bugger someone commented while I was writing this so not first comment

Furthermore it is my opinion that El Pip should continue with writing For King Haakon and the Fjords
I imagine Jurech will edit his message back to Bratislava, though even a simple "We won" message would probably baffle much of the Slovak High Command. I must also correct you, Slovakia can definitely pile up rocks so has the technology to understand and create rubble, thus the Pile de Rubble must remain in Paris as a reminder to future French leaders not to get over excited and order triumphant arches (or anything else).

Slovak forces successfully repelling an attack on Paris! This is, like, infinitely times more than the real First Slovak State did during the WW2...

Btw, if RAF got involved, that would mean the Czechoslovak pilots would be attacking Slovak troops on the ground.

And also, have we already discussed that the flag of Slovakia is wrong? If something, the flag should be like this
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Slovakia has also defended Paris infinitely more times than the French managed to defend Paris in WW2, so this is a mighty achievement.

We have discussed this and it is indeed a Paradox cock up. As I understand it the issue was that the Slovak flag without emblem is identical to the Slovenian flag (also identical to the Russian flag, but that's less relevant), so some way to tell those two nations apart would help (I dimly recall some bugs were even Paradox got the country codes mixed up). Of course Paradox then arsed it up, instead of using something sensible like the WW2 Slovak War Ensign (which is the standard Slovak flag with a Black Double cross inside a shield) they just stuck in the modern flag.

Brilliant!:D Btw, the mix of those ART units is very Cajun-like. They may not have been used to solid ground.;)
The Mexicans are probably still a bit unclear as to why they are fighting to liberate France when the French themselves aren't, so I am prepared to cut them quite a lot of slack with regards to artillery accuracy.

It's a pity that the Eiffel Tower wasn't knocked down, it would've probably tripled Slovakia's scrap metal reserves if carted back to Bratislava (I'm sure that the Germans could lend Slovakia some wooden wheels for this purpose). Perhaps you could have it collapse "accidentally" between battles?
That would be the most Slovakian of all events, Jurech returning in triumph with the war booty of the Eiffel Tower scrap metal. Metal being the only thing Slovakia is not short of. There is plenty of time for the rest of Paris to feel the consequences of Cajun-like artillery.

Not to mention the improvement this would be to the Parisian skyline!
There are many pluses to the Eiffel Tower having a tragic accident.

Seems like everyone got tired of war on this front
For the Allies France is the sideshow, the Yugoslavian front is where the war will be won.
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A glorious victory for Slovakian arms. Perhaps, given Slovakia’s large metal reserves, they could construct a triumphal arch of their own in Bratislava: in proportion to the victory, so it could be put up in the courtyard of the command bunker/tent/shack/pitiful hovel over the weekend. Wood would suffice if there is not enough tech for basic (ie grade school metal shop standard) metal working.

I hope it’s champagne rather that hip flasks in celebration of this great feat, in both Paris and back in Bratislava (some crates would surely have been looted and sent back to T&T for their personal use).
Any Slovak triumphant arch would end up much like the Arc de Triumph itself - much delayed and only completed long after the original leader who ordered it is long dead.

The exact contents of Tiso's hipflask is a state secret, for all our sakes I hope it remains so.

Ah, yes, no AAR is complete without making an appropriate amount of fun of the French! :p

If this keeps up, our old friends T&T may find themselves in a competition for the title of most beloved character duo in this little corner of AARland!
It is vitally important to make an appropriate amount of fun of the French at all times.
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I do like Jurech and Lendvay, they have the insanely optimistic happy-go-lucky ineptness that the Slovak cabinet used to have, before the Race to Bratislava and Total War. If Pruzinksy joined the army, after the shock of seeing a vaguely modern division, I imagine he would serve on Jurech's staff, he'd fit right in.
 

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On the pile de rubble, sure Slovakia can build a pile of rubble. But can they build such a large pile of rubble (me thinks not). The pile de rubble is probably still taller than the largest building in Slovakia

Also 29-9 "chuckle", your just lucky that the Auzzies did something to overshadow it (best week for kiwi cricket fans in years)

Furthermore it is my opinion that El Pip should continue with For King Haakon and the Fjords
 
9th/10th November 1944

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9th November 1944

The General Staff have requested that Tiso and Tuka attend a military intelligence briefing. In Slovakia this is less of an oxymoron than it would be in other countries, but only due to their much lower standards for intelligence. In the command shed General Kubela is looking concerned and Malar and Von Killinger are staring daggers at each other, which isn't a great start.

"Vodca, we have bad news and good news." Kubela started the briefing.

"Nein! We have bad news and worse news!" Baron Von Killinger angrily interrupted.

"Let start with the bad news and go from there." Tiso suggested.

"We have lost the Battle of Polovragi." Kubela gestured at the damp message from the Eastern Front.

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In the end superior Russian cavalry (and tanks) were too much for General Dumitrescu's stunning hat and complete lack of units, the battle was lost before the Slovak 1st Division even got to the front line.

"That does seem bad news." Tuka dared the cabinet to disagree.

Von Killinger and Malar nodded.

"So what is the other news?" Tiso carefully picked a neutral word.

"As they are retreating back to Ilia they were not able to make it to Bucharest before the Soviets encircle the city." Kubela explained.

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The Bucharest pocket. Current contents - a badly confused German armoured division and no Slovakians.

"This is good news as it means they aren't encircled and trapped in a pocket." Malar said defiantly.

"It is awful news, they have been denied the chance to die a heroically futile deaths in a pointless last stand order by the Fuhrer." Von Killing screamed, before sobbing at this tragic lost opportunity.

There was nothing to be said, so Tiso failed to say it and just reached for his hipflask, though whether in celebration or commiseration was unclear.


10th November 1944
Tiso's hopes of getting a few days away from the cabinet were shattered when the Foreign Ministry announced urgent news from Berlin that required immediate attention. Sighing he made his way to the Presidential Palace/Bungalow.

"What is this urgent news?" Tiso asked.

"The German and Hungarian governments have announced the formation of Greater Hungary." Fritz read from the German note, Stefan Tiso still not being allowed out. At all.

"An excellent decision from the Fuhrer that will raise morale across the Reich." Von Killinger enthusiastically nodded.

"And what does this mean in practice?" Tuka asked.

General Kubela pointed to the recently updated map.

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Hungary does seem much larger, but there is something missing. Also the Allied armoured thrust out of Italy has almost reached the landing in Yugoslavia, which is ominous.

"Where is the yellow splodgy bit?" Tiso asked, using the technical cartographic term.

Fritz flicked through to the last page of the document.

"Ahh." He said, pointing out the tiny note at the bottom of the page.

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Not a great surprise to be honest.

As Baron Von Killinger raged at the Conductor's failure to either die in a pointless last stand or escape and form a government in exile and Malar looked smug that 1st Division had avoided the trap, Tiso realised that this was such a complete lack of surprise he didn't even need the hipflask.

Delighted at this minor defeat of his demon, he had a celebratory drink.

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Notes:
The war continues to not develop to Slovakia's advantage.