There are arguments to be made for other cabinet members getting unjustified paychecks. But being a Chief of the Navy for a landlocked nation has to have the lock on first place. It's such a useless job.
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There are arguments to be made for other cabinet members getting unjustified paychecks. But being a Chief of the Navy for a landlocked nation has to have the lock on first place. It's such a useless job.
Now that its weekend and I had some time, I did some digging. Its not fictional. Tulip demands skyrocketed during the Golden Age whilst supply was low and remained low, because it takes 12 years to grow one. Thus the price went through the roof and they came up with the Dutch Auction to keep the flow of trade going as quickly as possible and with as high a price as possible for the seller. So basically, you start selling at such a high price that nobody buys, then you start lowering until someone bites. This was good for the seller since he got the highest price anyone wanted to pay for his goods.
Intruiging stuff.
Nice research all - at least I wasn't completely out in my casual use of the term 
. I now know more about it than I think I ever did. All from an HoI3 AAR on Slovakia .
Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is living!
. I now know more about it than I think I ever did. All from an HoI3 AAR on Slovakia .Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is living
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Bullfilter - Firstly, and most importantly *disgusted spit*.
On a money related point the Slovak cabinet didn't engage in much looting and while they certainly got well paid it wasn't completely ridiculous. For instance Tuka got paid roughly the equivalent of £160,000 a year for being Prime Minister, then got the same again from his party as he was Central Committee member. Nice work if you can get it, but the Slovak President currently gets €110,000 so it's same sort of ballpark.
It's not like he even spent it, it mostly end up in Swiss bank accounts for people to argue over.
sebas379 - Useless bits of trivia are probably the key ingredients of an El Pip AAR.,
Gen. Marshall - Excellent Dutch Auction theory explanation.
Bullfilter - That is one of the most Slovakian schemes I've ever come across. I am in awe.
markkur - Slovakian fog is famed for being particularly dense.
TheButterflyComposer - Someone has been mixing up their facts I fear, probably to produce that 'moral'. There are records of Dutch Auctions being carried out in Holland for a least a century before the Tulip Mania, as Gen. Marshall said it's widely used in the flower markets. It's big advantage over an English style auction is that it is typically faster and harder for buyers to rig, the downside being sellers on average get a lower price. So if you are a flower market that needs to shift things very quickly in a short window to only a few large buyers, you will chose a Dutch Auction.
Traditional story has it that the Tulip Mania ended after an auction at Haarlem attracted no bids at all, as Haarlem was one of the key hubs of the trade that wiped it out. If this was an outbreak of common sense, of if it was caused by the outbreak of plague, is less clear, but that I suspect is the other part of the jumbled together story ou were told.
Nathan Madien - Slovakia has rivers, admittedly no boats, but still. And landlocked nations having a Navy is alarmingly common - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navies_of_landlocked_countries
sebas379 - I mostly agree, however the sources I read indicated that the flower markets adopted an existing type of auction that had been used before for rather than inventing it. I'm not completely convinced on the price point, there's some mathematical analyses of past auctions that 'proves' you get a higher price in an English style auction and the point that you can never get caught up in a bidding war at a Dutch Auction (that's why it's so quick).
Bullfilter - El Pip AARs are nothing if not educational. And majestically paced obviously.
And we haven't even covered my favourite type of auction, the French Auction. In which everyone puts in sealed bids, the cheap and expensive ones are thrown away and then the seller goes off to the government and they tell everyone what the price is.
On a money related point the Slovak cabinet didn't engage in much looting and while they certainly got well paid it wasn't completely ridiculous. For instance Tuka got paid roughly the equivalent of £160,000 a year for being Prime Minister, then got the same again from his party as he was Central Committee member. Nice work if you can get it, but the Slovak President currently gets €110,000 so it's same sort of ballpark.
It's not like he even spent it, it mostly end up in Swiss bank accounts for people to argue over.
sebas379 - Useless bits of trivia are probably the key ingredients of an El Pip AAR.,
Gen. Marshall - Excellent Dutch Auction theory explanation.
Bullfilter - That is one of the most Slovakian schemes I've ever come across. I am in awe.
markkur - Slovakian fog is famed for being particularly dense.
TheButterflyComposer - Someone has been mixing up their facts I fear, probably to produce that 'moral'. There are records of Dutch Auctions being carried out in Holland for a least a century before the Tulip Mania, as Gen. Marshall said it's widely used in the flower markets. It's big advantage over an English style auction is that it is typically faster and harder for buyers to rig, the downside being sellers on average get a lower price. So if you are a flower market that needs to shift things very quickly in a short window to only a few large buyers, you will chose a Dutch Auction.
Traditional story has it that the Tulip Mania ended after an auction at Haarlem attracted no bids at all, as Haarlem was one of the key hubs of the trade that wiped it out. If this was an outbreak of common sense, of if it was caused by the outbreak of plague, is less clear, but that I suspect is the other part of the jumbled together story ou were told.
Nathan Madien - Slovakia has rivers, admittedly no boats, but still. And landlocked nations having a Navy is alarmingly common - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navies_of_landlocked_countries
sebas379 - I mostly agree, however the sources I read indicated that the flower markets adopted an existing type of auction that had been used before for rather than inventing it. I'm not completely convinced on the price point, there's some mathematical analyses of past auctions that 'proves' you get a higher price in an English style auction and the point that you can never get caught up in a bidding war at a Dutch Auction (that's why it's so quick).
Bullfilter - El Pip AARs are nothing if not educational. And majestically paced obviously.
And we haven't even covered my favourite type of auction, the French Auction. In which everyone puts in sealed bids, the cheap and expensive ones are thrown away and then the seller goes off to the government and they tell everyone what the price is.
At least a lot of those landlocked countries have major waterways to patrol. But then there's Mongolia...
20th September 1944 - Cofftea Edition Update
20th September.
Faced with the horror of a cabinet full of Czechs, Idiots and Traitors, Tios and Tuka are working to remove the Czechs and Traitors. As required by the increasingly odd Slovak Constitution Gejza Fritz, Chairman of the Supreme Constitutional Court of State, has been summoned and General Malar is preparing the list of candidates.
"Why is Malar still here?" Tiso whispered.
"He always assembles the list of candidates when we interview ministers." Tuka whispered back.
"But he's been replaced as Chief of Staff and Head of the Army. He shouldn't be allowed in here." Tiso explained, whispering.
"Maybe no-one had the heart to tell him he'd been sacked." Tuka reasoned.
They were interrupted by Fritz calling the meeting to order.
"As we are now officially National Socialist, several new candidates are now eligible to serve in the government." Fritz stated.
"So we have a wider pool of talent to draw from?" Tuka asked excitedly.
"No we have the same amount of talent. We just have more people to interview." Fritz explained.
Everyone looked at Tiso.
Tiso looked at the clock, saw it was still early, sighed and resisted his inner demons.
"We begin with the post of Foreign Minister." Fritz said.
"There is no need for any change there." Tiso firmly replied.
"You are going to leave Stefan in post?!" Tuka yelled.
"Yes. We cannot miss this opportunity to get rid of Durcansky." Tiso said.
"Everyone has hated him since the El Salvador incident." Tuka admitted.
***Shimmery Flashback Effect***
"I'm glad you could make it." Durcansky greeted his guests.
"Of course, you said it was urgent." Tiso replied.
"Before I begin, drinks?" Durcansky asked.
"Tea." Tiso said
"Coffee" Tuka added.
Nodding at his minion, Ducansky started the briefing.
"An evil threat has arisen in the West, it is one we cannot ignore." He gestured at the file.
Are there no depths that insignificant Central American Allied powers will not sink to? Clearly not.
As Tiso and Tuka struggled to contain their reaction to such an awful pun, their drinks arrived.
Tiso took a sip and pulled a face, "Wrong drink" he spat, Tuka nodded and they swapped.
After a second round of spitting they looked at Durcansky
"You need to sack your drinks minion, he got both orders wrong." Tiso ordered.
"Oh no, he was doing what I asked."
"What?!" Tuka yelled.
"Well you were disagreeing on drinks, so I thought a mix of the two would brink unity to government." Durcansky beamed hopefully.
***Shimmery Back in the Room Effect***
"But you can't leave Stefan in place." Tuka said.
"Of course I can. What's the most important duty of our Foreign Ministry?" Tiso asked.
"Passing on ridiculous telegrams that no-one cares about probably."
"And in between that?"
"Being told he can't do anything else as Germany runs our foreign policy."
"So it's a pointless and miserable job, one that constantly reminds the minister of Slovakia's place in the world, one that would be a relentless living hell for a man of action." Tiso leaned back. "Sounds like the perfect punishment for an attempted coup."
Tuka nodded appreciatively as Fritz reached for the next set of files.
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Notes:
Ďurčanský, to give him his full set of accented letters, was, in case you hadn't guessed, a Great Compromiser Foreign Minister. In act of mild cock up, Stefan Tiso, only available after Slovakia goes full Nazi, is a Biased Intellectual, which means he is "Susceptible to the Comintern" and would (if Slovakia wasn't a puppet) increase the country's drift towards joining the Comintern. You won't see a more spectacularly wrong minister trait until.. the next update probably.
Faced with the horror of a cabinet full of Czechs, Idiots and Traitors, Tios and Tuka are working to remove the Czechs and Traitors. As required by the increasingly odd Slovak Constitution Gejza Fritz, Chairman of the Supreme Constitutional Court of State, has been summoned and General Malar is preparing the list of candidates.
"Why is Malar still here?" Tiso whispered.
"He always assembles the list of candidates when we interview ministers." Tuka whispered back.
"But he's been replaced as Chief of Staff and Head of the Army. He shouldn't be allowed in here." Tiso explained, whispering.
"Maybe no-one had the heart to tell him he'd been sacked." Tuka reasoned.
They were interrupted by Fritz calling the meeting to order.
"As we are now officially National Socialist, several new candidates are now eligible to serve in the government." Fritz stated.
"So we have a wider pool of talent to draw from?" Tuka asked excitedly.
"No we have the same amount of talent. We just have more people to interview." Fritz explained.
Everyone looked at Tiso.
Tiso looked at the clock, saw it was still early, sighed and resisted his inner demons.
"We begin with the post of Foreign Minister." Fritz said.
"There is no need for any change there." Tiso firmly replied.
"You are going to leave Stefan in post?!" Tuka yelled.
"Yes. We cannot miss this opportunity to get rid of Durcansky." Tiso said.
"Everyone has hated him since the El Salvador incident." Tuka admitted.
***Shimmery Flashback Effect***
"I'm glad you could make it." Durcansky greeted his guests.
"Of course, you said it was urgent." Tiso replied.
"Before I begin, drinks?" Durcansky asked.
"Tea." Tiso said
"Coffee" Tuka added.
Nodding at his minion, Ducansky started the briefing.
"An evil threat has arisen in the West, it is one we cannot ignore." He gestured at the file.
Are there no depths that insignificant Central American Allied powers will not sink to? Clearly not.
As Tiso and Tuka struggled to contain their reaction to such an awful pun, their drinks arrived.
Tiso took a sip and pulled a face, "Wrong drink" he spat, Tuka nodded and they swapped.
After a second round of spitting they looked at Durcansky
"You need to sack your drinks minion, he got both orders wrong." Tiso ordered.
"Oh no, he was doing what I asked."
"What?!" Tuka yelled.
"Well you were disagreeing on drinks, so I thought a mix of the two would brink unity to government." Durcansky beamed hopefully.
***Shimmery Back in the Room Effect***
"But you can't leave Stefan in place." Tuka said.
"Of course I can. What's the most important duty of our Foreign Ministry?" Tiso asked.
"Passing on ridiculous telegrams that no-one cares about probably."
"And in between that?"
"Being told he can't do anything else as Germany runs our foreign policy."
"So it's a pointless and miserable job, one that constantly reminds the minister of Slovakia's place in the world, one that would be a relentless living hell for a man of action." Tiso leaned back. "Sounds like the perfect punishment for an attempted coup."
Tuka nodded appreciatively as Fritz reached for the next set of files.
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Notes:
Ďurčanský, to give him his full set of accented letters, was, in case you hadn't guessed, a Great Compromiser Foreign Minister. In act of mild cock up, Stefan Tiso, only available after Slovakia goes full Nazi, is a Biased Intellectual, which means he is "Susceptible to the Comintern" and would (if Slovakia wasn't a puppet) increase the country's drift towards joining the Comintern. You won't see a more spectacularly wrong minister trait until.. the next update probably.
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I demand immediate action against salvador to punish them for this clear violation of democratic rights!! Oh wait nevermind..... And minister traits, well since faction leaders have people that drift them to their and even other factions, im not even going to pretend surprise there.
Probably not a bad idea to have a minister who drifts toward the Comintern given the situation. Maybe he can save you guys from execution.
Then again, it doesn't seem like the Allies are making much progress.
Then again, it doesn't seem like the Allies are making much progress.
I would say the Comintern gets to Bratislava before T&T drift even to Košice so why bother? On the other hand, they could arrange for a welcome party at the Dukla Pass.
Inspired by a first season skit of Saturday Night Live:
Gilda Radner: "I don't understand why Tios and Tuka are removing Chexs from the cabinet! What's wrong with Chexs being in the cabinet? I have several bags of Chexs in my cabinet at home! They are good mixes!"
Chevy Chase: "Gilda, it isn't Chexs. It's Czechs. They are removing Czechs from the cabinet."
Radner: "Czechs?"
Chase: "Yes. Czechs."
Radner: "Oh. Nevermind."
sebas379 - Even by the standards of corrupt military dictatorships, El Salvador stands out as particularly confused. A whole string of generals and colonels swapping power, couping and counter-couping each each. This particular evil was carried out by Andrés Ignacio Menéndez and surprisingly Paradox have got his name right. Admittedly they then call him a Social Liberal Benevolent Gentlemen, when he was Brigadier General who was taking his second run at being 'Provisional Presidente', taking over after the last military dictator had been kicked out by a Genera Strike and the evocative Palm Sunday Coup. Still, can't win them all.
markkur - Most of those events are rubbish, but some are gold.
keynes2.0 - That is about the shape of it. 5.5 Years of real time to not quite get through 3 months in game.
Andre Massena - The Axis forces on the Italian Front have collapsed and things aren't looking great around Normandy. Then of course there is the French Foreign Legion running around Yugoslavia. The Allies have been busy, so the race to Bratislava is well on.
Athalcor - It is I feel very appropriate that one of the most famous battles fought on Slovak didn't actually involve the Slovak Army
Nathan Madien - I now know what Chexs are. I am unsure when knowledge of US breakfast cereals will be of importance, but when it is I shall be ready.
markkur - Most of those events are rubbish, but some are gold.
keynes2.0 - That is about the shape of it. 5.5 Years of real time to not quite get through 3 months in game.
Andre Massena - The Axis forces on the Italian Front have collapsed and things aren't looking great around Normandy. Then of course there is the French Foreign Legion running around Yugoslavia. The Allies have been busy, so the race to Bratislava is well on.
Athalcor - It is I feel very appropriate that one of the most famous battles fought on Slovak didn't actually involve the Slovak Army
Nathan Madien - I now know what Chexs are. I am unsure when knowledge of US breakfast cereals will be of importance, but when it is I shall be ready.
The Allies still being stuck around Normandy in late September is pretty pathetic but I guess it pales in comparison to the brilliant Axis defense of Italy. I guess Churchill was right after all.
"Tactical Hungarian victory" uhh sure
Edit: I though they meant the Battle of Dukla Pass
"Tactical Hungarian victory" uhh sure
Edit: I though they meant the Battle of Dukla Pass
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I think that is because the game keeps getting loaded from the save every few days. But I have a vague recollection that I suggested that a couple years ago and El Pip had a reason he didn't think so.
Athalcor - Thank you for that excellent graphic, fine bit of research, have a Helpful post rating on me. Until you posted it I was unfamiliar with the Slovak-Hungarian "Little War" so had to read up on it. I particularly enjoyed the bit about most of the competent fighting being done by the Czech officers soldiers in VI Corps who hadn't quit and returned home at that point. On the other hand, the fact that all the Tankers, Pilots, Ground Crew and Engineers seemed to be Czech did suggest that maybe T&T had a point about Slovakia getting a rough deal out of that whole Czechoslovakia arrangement.
Andre Massena - T&T will review the various fronts once the government is sorted, but the Bocage is proving tricky while the 'soft underbelly' is very soft indeed.
keynes2.0 - I play the game in longer chunks of at least a couple of months, I take loads of screenshots and notes as I play through and that sees me through years of updates. I'll admit that was not done for AI-assisting reasons, but as a side effect it should stop the AI getting confused by constant restarts.
Andre Massena - T&T will review the various fronts once the government is sorted, but the Bocage is proving tricky while the 'soft underbelly' is very soft indeed.
keynes2.0 - I play the game in longer chunks of at least a couple of months, I take loads of screenshots and notes as I play through and that sees me through years of updates. I'll admit that was not done for AI-assisting reasons, but as a side effect it should stop the AI getting confused by constant restarts.
I just felt that after 5.5 years I should post this quote from the OP (my underlining)
However, I have got a lot of laughs and entertainment out of this as well as learing lots of random bits of trivia too obscure to ever even make it into pub trivia so I call it a win...
However, I have got a lot of laughs and entertainment out of this as well as learing lots of random bits of trivia too obscure to ever even make it into pub trivia so I call it a win...
I believe that he is going to finish it sooner. Another ten years sounds enough.
Leading to the depressing thought that we might all be dead by the time we are able to read a completed Butterfly Effect.