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What'd ya mean, Northern Ireland? Ireland is a unified body comprising the entire Emerald Isle.
 

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OK, I have read this in one go, I hope you are happy! Now I have to wait three more years for a proper load of the T+T duo.

Anyway, it has taken me a while to actually go and visit some of your works...and to be honest, while reading this time travelling story (RL time travelling), I have been subject to pretty wild outbursts of uncontrolled laughing - and that's an achievement only the best comedy AARs manage to fulfil ;).

Storywise, I hope your actors do not miss the opportunity to attend this event - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_National_Uprising .

...

And I am Czech. *runs away while dodging the rain of spitting*
 

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I have been a tad distracted so this might take a while. However;

Ikarases - HOI3's 1944 scenario is the most autobiographical of all Paradox's scenarios. A true window into the soul of the company.
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sebas379 - The plan is almost cunning, which is a worrying development.

Baltasar - The Slovak three front strategy allows them to be certain which way to run when the Allies / Communists get close to Bratislava. That is a not unimportant consideration.

GreatUberGeek - T&T have long experience of Slovakia and so are well aware the place isn't worth dying in the first ditch for, let alone the last one. In fact it may not even be worth a ditch...

Gen. Marshall / GreatUberGeek / Ikarases - You forget that Slovakia has the greatest social realist poet of the age running counter-intelligence to catch those spies. Yeah it's not going to go well is it?

Surt / Gen. Marshall - Slovak counter-intelligence at work, blocking links that would undermine the nation's security. Not doing a very thorough job are they?

The entire language discussion - Good diversionary work, I was particular impressed at getting the subject round to a united Ireland, something almost entirely irrelevant.

Athalcor - I am delighted you enjoyed catching up with T&T and I can assure you the Slovak National Uprising will appear (Provided Slovakia still exists and hasn't been conquered by the Soviets). I recommend you acquire some sort of rain coat as the Czech spitting is only going to get worse before the end...
 
9th August 1944

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9th August

After experiencing the Slovak General Staff Map of Many things, not to mention the alarming display of competence from the Staff, Tiso and Tuka decided to take the weekend off to recover. The fact it was only Tuesday had in no way put them off this plan and they had departed the bunker in high spirits, Tiso in particular. Sadly this otherwise perfect plan was be rudely interrupted the following morning.

"Generalissimus!" Messenger #78 cried out, waking Tiso from his not at all alcohol induced slumber.

"What is it?" Tiso asked, lifting his head of his desk and peeling important state documents from his face.

"There is vital news from the front and you must come to the General Staff HQ at once!" #78 shouted again, most inconsiderately from Tiso's perspective.

"Very well, I will be there shortly." Tiso said, wondering where Tuka had got to.

Finding a snoring Tuka in the cupboard, Tiso kicked his colleague awake and together they made their way to the General Staff bunker.

"Why was that chap called Messenger #78?" Tiso asked belatedly, as always cutting right to the heart of the irrelevant issues.

"We're rationing our Umlauts for the the war effort, so all our messengers had their names replaced with numbers. It was a noble sacrifice we were willing for them to make." Tuka explained.

"But we've only got two messengers. So why #78?" Tiso said.

"Security." Tuka said cryptically, handing over a memo from Slovak Counter-Intelligence.

To confuse enemy spies,
it's perfectly fine to tell lies.
Hence we count from the wrong number
so our enemies still slumber
And thus hierarchical and complex stratification of the nested interpenetrating constraint acts to resist hegemonic collectivisation.


No longer content to act within the rigid and artificial hierarchy of merely catching spies, Janko Jesensky had diversified into general security advice. Possibly. It's always hard to be sure about critical social realism.

Realising that Jesensky was either some form of security genius or an idiot, Tiso resolved to stop thinking about the subject as he suspected he wouldn't like the answer.

Putting such thoughts from his mind Tiso realised they had reached their destination. Within the HQ lay the vital news that had cut short his weekend, good or bad he hoped it was at least actually important and not Slovak Army important. He checked his hip flask, nodded at Tuka and went inside.

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A quick update to ensure I don't allow a whole month to pass between posts. Hope it's enough to tide you over and Jesensky's latest effort is up to his usual high standards.
 

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Continuing with the language diversion, the sad thing is that the Slovak language doesn't actually have umlauts. As such, sacrificing them doesn't help the war effort as much as you would think...but every bit counts, especially in this Slovakia.

E: Maybe you meant sacrificing the content of the Slovak wiki page about umlauts. It looks pretty sacrificed to me.

EE: 'Dve bodky' literally translates as 'Two dots'. That's for Slovak abstraction, I guess.
 

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Realising that Jesensky was either some form of security genius or an idiot, Tiso resolved to stop thinking about the subject as he suspected he wouldn't like the answer.

That's the spirit: if your penetrating inquisitiveness leads to potentially disturbing truths, it's better to abandon the search and live happily - more or less - in a hipflask-fueled alcoholic haze of ignorance! :)
 

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"What is it?" Tiso asked, lifting his head of his desk and peeling important state documents from his face.

So on the weekend, Tiso's head turns into a desk?

Finding a snoring Tuka in the cupboard, Tiso kicked his colleague awake and together they made their way to the General Staff bunker.

So on the weekend, Tuka turns into "Indian in the Cupboard"?

T&T sure have weird weekends. It's probably for the best that they don't have too many weekends.

"Why was that chap called Messenger #78?" Tiso asked belatedly, as always cutting right to the heart of the irrelevant issues.

I honestly thought it was a "Get Smart" reference.

And thus hierarchical and complex stratification of the nested interpenetrating constraint acts to resist hegemonic collectivisation.

WTF did I just read? :confused:
 

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WTF did I just read?

The smart answer: I have no idea and am not gonna bother figuring it out.

The long answer:

-it has a hierarchy
-it is complex
Stratification, IIRC means something is layered.
-interpenetrating constraint. I'd say there are 2 things penetrating one another and thus stopping something from happening. (at this point my brain gives up)
and it all resists collectivisation of some sorts. go ask the Russian farmers under Stalin what that means.

And thus, the magic is gone. But it is critical social realism poëtry, so I'm probably way off the point being made.

Oh, and I should probably comment on the update as well, now that I'm here.:eek:o
I knew the situation in the Axis camp was quite desperate at this point in the war, but is it so dire that even umlauts need rationing? Can't you borrow a few from Germany?
 

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The smart answer: I have no idea and am not gonna bother figuring it out.

The long answer:

-it has a hierarchy
-it is complex
Stratification, IIRC means something is layered.
-interpenetrating constraint. I'd say there are 2 things penetrating one another and thus stopping something from happening. (at this point my brain gives up)
and it all resists collectivisation of some sorts. go ask the Russian farmers under Stalin what that means.

And thus, the magic is gone. But it is critical social realism poëtry, so I'm probably way off the point being made.

Part of me thinks Slovak Counter-Intelligence is just messing with us by throwing in a mass jumble of words only they would understand.
 

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Athalcor - I thought Slovak did have an Ä character in it, which if your a German puppet leader you would definitely call an Umlaut.

But then I'm an engineer not a Slavic Linguist so I could be spectacularly misinformed.

Stuyvesant - The important thing for Tiso is that he couldn't do anything about the disturbing truths even if he knew about them. So why go looking for problems you cannot solve?

Nathan Madien - Bear in mind falling asleep face down on a desk and/or drunk in a cupboard are high class recreational activities only available to the very cream of Slovak society.

sebas379 - Close, but you have failed to consider transcendent reality.

Nathan Madien - There is method to the critical social realism madness;

For a critical social realist stratification refers to the difference 'levels' of reality, the transitive / intransitive idea discussed previously but with a few more levels between those extremes. In this case there is the intransitive reality (Slovakia only has two messengers) and the transitive reality (being number #78), though of course it's all more complicated than that (hence hierarchical and complex) because can a transitive messenger every really convey intransitive information? Probably not so it all gets a bit recursive, partial transmission of partial information that partially reflects intransitive reality, hence 'nested'.

The confusion all this causes is the 'interpenetrating constraints', the various levels effect each other and limit how much of the intransitive truth can be perceived. Finally all of this will confuse people, in particular the Soviets, and so resist their attempts to turn Slovakia into a communist puppet state 'hegemonic collectivisation'.


You know if I spent less time getting the social realist limericks right and more time writing I might have finished this by now.
 

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For a critical social realist stratification refers to the difference 'levels' of reality, the transitive / intransitive idea discussed previously but with a few more levels between those extremes. In this case there is the intransitive reality (Slovakia only has two messengers) and the transitive reality (being number #78), though of course it's all more complicated than that (hence hierarchical and complex) because can a transitive messenger every really convey intransitive information? Probably not so it all gets a bit recursive, partial transmission of partial information that partially reflects intransitive reality, hence 'nested'.

It seems social realists are the ideal counter intelligence agents. Not only do I feel stupid for not understanding that right away, but I also suspect that the reason it makes sense to me now was that I killed some critical (in both senses) brain cells in the process of interpretation.

Well, you might have been done by now, but on the one hand it would lack your social realist brilliance, on the other hand I would not have any T&T to look forward to. Attaining completeness at that cost would not be desirable.
 

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I know you've pulled this trick before (I know it's not a 'trick'), but I'm still amazed when you dissect those poems and show that yes, there is an inherent logic and yes, it really is a statement that is consistent (at least in its own world). So, hat off to you and all that lark. :)
 

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Continuing with the language diversion, the sad thing is that the Slovak language doesn't actually have umlauts. As such, sacrificing them doesn't help the war effort as much as you would think...but every bit counts, especially in this Slovakia.

This is one of the most hilarious things I have read on this forum. :p
 

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So if I'm understanding all this correctly, when Paradox was designing the 1944 scenario, they somehow forgot to give Slovakia any researched technologies?

I assume that in the 1936 scenario, Slovakia did have researched technologies (well, they were part of Czechoslovakia back then, but still). That means that while they were in union with the Czechs, they were industrialized, but after they became a separate country, such newfangled concepts as factories, First World War military doctrine, and the steam engine became rapidly fading memories of a bygone age of glory.

And since Slovakia still somehow has IC despite not knowing how to build factories, I have to assume that their factories were built by the Czechs.
 
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The development budget ran out before they got to the Slovak techs in '44, they should rightfully have Tiger III tanks, V4 rockets and 8-Engine strategic bombers, assault guns, automatic guns etc.
 

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So if I'm understanding all this correctly, when Paradox was designing the 1944 scenario, they somehow forgot to give Slovakia any researched technologies?

I assume that in the 1936 scenario, Slovakia did have researched technologies (well, they were part of Czechoslovakia back then, but still). That means that while they were in union with the Czechs, they were industrialized, but after they became a separate country, such newfangled concepts as factories, First World War military doctrine, and the steam engine became rapidly fading memories of a bygone age of glory.

And since Slovakia still somehow has IC despite not knowing how to build factories, I have to assume that their factories were built by the Czechs.

Yes. Everything was built by the filthy, filthy Czechs.

And the Slovakians are STILL better off now! That's how evil the filthy, filthy Czechs are.
 

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The development budget ran out before they got to the Slovak techs in '44, they should rightfully have Tiger III tanks, V4 rockets and 8-Engine strategic bombers, assault guns, automatic guns etc.

Slovakia having automatic guns?! Sir, you are being quite fanciful! :p
 

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Slovakia having automatic guns?! Sir, you are being quite fanciful! :p

Automatic guns? What is this dark magic you speak of? Is that some kind of rapid firing bow?