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Sequel AAR featuring T&T in Argentina when? :D
And the convenient thing is that in HOI3 they can be Cabinet members there whether dead or not at the hands of captors or the natural effects of time. So many zombie governments there, a new South American war (which of course would be doomed to failure) could be fought as World War Z. :D “Inevitable Defeat 2: The Dead Never Rest.”
 
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a new South American war (which of course would be doomed to failure) could be fought as World War Z. :D “Inevitable Defeat 2: The Dead Never Rest.”
In order to preserve the inevitability and defeatedness, of course Argentina must DoW the entirety of South America and stand alone. Which would still be an improvement for T&T as they no longer would have to deal with "allies" like Germany. :D
 

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In order to preserve the inevitability and defeatedness, of course Argentina must DoW the entirety of South America and stand alone. Which would still be an improvement for T&T as they no longer would have to deal with "allies" like Germany. :D
And as that would trigger the US guarantee ... a nice, inevitable Race to Buenos Aires could be had. Of course, their tech would be a lot better than Slovakia 1944. Wouldn’t it? :confused:
 

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How come 'nothing funny to say about big maps'? Surely there must be some silly named province or a boob shaped tract of land to find.
 

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Sequel AAR featuring T&T in Argentina when? :D
Early 2030s.
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And the convenient thing is that in HOI3 they can be Cabinet members there whether dead or not at the hands of captors or the natural effects of time. So many zombie governments there, a new South American war (which of course would be doomed to failure) could be fought as World War Z. :D “Inevitable Defeat 2: The Dead Never Rest.”
Even if not dead they can still sneak in under the "Utterly unqualified foreigner" rule, which accounts for much of the rest of your typical South American cabinet. ;)

In order to preserve the inevitability and defeatedness, of course Argentina must DoW the entirety of South America and stand alone. Which would still be an improvement for T&T as they no longer would have to deal with "allies" like Germany. :D
Would T&T be able to cope not being a puppet? Actually having to look at the trade and diplomacy options alone would be a shock, to say nothing of them having to cope with having a coastline and a Navy. The shock might be too much for even a hipflask to revive them from! :eek:

And as that would trigger the US guarantee ... a nice, inevitable Race to Buenos Aires could be had. Of course, their tech would be a lot better than Slovakia 1944. Wouldn’t it? :confused:
There are Stone Age tribes who have better technology a lot better than '44 Slovakia, so that is quite the low bar to clear. :D

Please, don't tempt the Paradox gods. :p
On the one hand Paradox didn't bother to give Argentina any tech advances over 1936 (bar the same random doctrines Slovakia got), so apparently they learnt nothing at all, on any subject, in 8 years. But they did start at a much higher level in 1936, so even with zero progress '44 Argentina is still more advanced than '44 Slovakia.

How come 'nothing funny to say about big maps'? Surely there must be some silly named province or a boob shaped tract of land to find.
Possibly, but I have some standards. Not many, but they are mine and I uphold them.

More to the point I think I have done all the 'Big Picture' and 'High Level Overview' jokes one can do about the Slovak General Staff not knowing how maps work and didn't want to repeat myself.
 

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I have been lurking here for a long time.
Nice to that the inevitable is almost there.
Of course you can continue as a government in exile.
T&T should take the emergency hipflask reserve and go to the reichstag for the final stand.
After all, do they even have the technology to surrender?
 

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Btw Slovakia has an election today and the main opposition party's slogan is "Let's Beat the Mafia Together" :p
Slovak elections are wonderful things. They also have the party who's name translates as "We Are Family", which always makes me think of Sister Sledge, and the party of Hungarian collaborators called Mostly-Hiding (this translation may not be 100% rock solid).

I have been lurking here for a long time.
Nice to that the inevitable is almost there.
Of course you can continue as a government in exile.
T&T should take the emergency hipflask reserve and go to the reichstag for the final stand.
After all, do they even have the technology to surrender?
I am delighted you have de-lurked and you raise an excellent point; Slovakia probably hasn't developed the technology for surrender. And even if they had, would anyone on the Allied side be listening? How can you surrender if the people you are surrendering to don't know you exist?

On those philosophical questions, let us return to Bratislava!
 
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8th March 1945

It's Thursday and somehow the heroic defenders of the capital are still holding out. Tiso and Tuka have began to dream they might get to the weekend, though what difference they think that will make is unclear. In the meantime they have another daily briefing to attend.

"What is the latest news from the war?" Tiso asked.

"It's still going." Kubela said, Malar nodding in wisdom.

"More detailed than that!" Tuka snapped.

"Private (7th class) Karole Strechaj is feeling a bit under the weather, Private (7th class) Rudd.." Kubela stared reading from his alarmingly copious notes.

As Tuka started dementedly ranting, Tiso wonder if being conquered and put on trial would actually be that bad, relatively speaking.

"Latest news, at an appropriate level of detail please." He announced in a gap in his colleagues screaming.

"General Turanec reports that the Allied aerial onslaught has lessened." A sulking Kubela said.

Tiso walked to the window and pointed out.

"I am currently unable to see the sky due to the shear number of enemy bombers trying to flatten Bratislava, how is this an improvement?" He asked.

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That's quite a lot of bombers. Including the famous Soviet Night Witches, being made to bomb in daylight because Stalin.

"The increased in numbers is the good news. There are now so many planes trying to bomb Bratislava that they are getting in each others way and no longer having any real effect." Malar explained.

Tiso had no idea how to respond to that, so moved on.

"Any other news?" He asked.

"Indifferent news from the eastern provinces." General Kubela announced.

Tiso raised his eyebrow. Before Tuka attempted to do the same, Kubela hurried to continue.

"We have lost the utterly pointless province of Zlate Moravce to the British." He said.

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Particularly attentive readers may remember Zlate Moravce as the starting point of the doomed 'Slovak' (but actually Czech) National Uprising. It also produces particularly mediocre bricks and below average sinks, both of which are still more useful and memorable than General Viest's uprising was.

"At least it wasn't somewhere important." Tuka said.

Tiso nodded in agreement, before the terrible thought hit him - Was anywhere in Slovakia actually important? To hush the dark voices he reached for his hipflask.

/glug-glug-glug/

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This is a SemperFi game so at >9 wings the stacking penalty is so high the bombers are 0% effective. The Night Witches and their exploits is a fascinating story and in fairness they were the sort of unusual units that a grand strategy game like HOI is always going to struggle with.

The encirclement of Bratislava very slowly continues as defeat inches ever closer.
 
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As Tuka started dementedly ranting, Tiso wonder if being conquered and put on trial would actually be that bad, relatively speaking.
He makes a rather good point. Perhaps he should be getting the white sheets ready to hang out the window of the command shack? Procure an assortment of the flags of the invading powers to wave at them as their tanks roll through the streets of Bratislava? Start practicing his cover story about his name being Biso, not Tiso, and he that he is just a humble window cleaner. Without doing any war crimes.
How can you surrender if the people you are surrendering to don't know you exist?
"I am currently unable to see the sky due to the shear number of enemy bombers trying to flatten Bratislava, how is this an improvement?" He asked.
It seems the Allied and Soviet air forces know where Bratislava is, at least! ;)
It also produces particularly mediocre bricks and below average sinks,
Surprised they had the tech for that, whatever the quality. Perhaps the Slovak Academy of ‘Sciences’ should have been located there!
 

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"Private (7th class) Karole Strechaj is feeling a bit under the weather, Private (7th class) Rudd.." Kubela stared reading from his alarmingly copious notes.
Well, how long is that list really? A single Militia Division at half-strength, that's 4.000 names, tops, so 3 hours 20 minutes if you count 3 seconds per soldier. At some point this level of detail will become appropriate...

"The increased in numbers is the good news. There are now so many planes trying to bomb Bratislava that they are getting in each others way and no longer having any real effect." Malar explained.
Are they really trying to flatten it, or is it just some sightseeing. I mean, it's not like there ever was much that could be flattened. In the same way tourists go to old industrial areas to see the devastation and poverty that are the consequence of rapid de-industrialisation, they may be looking down on Bratislava, in awe of the total lack of industrialisation.

Surprised they had the tech for that, whatever the quality. Perhaps the Slovak Academy of ‘Sciences’ should have been located there!
They probably produce some kind of basic 'adobe'-style brick. Putting clay in vaguely rectangular moulds and drying it in the sun. It's a very old technique that can be quite durable, as long as the weather remains dry enough. These kinds of bricks being quite unsuitable for the Slovakian winter, which is probably why they are being produced there.
 

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Good news, it will be British, USAians or French arresting the dynamic duo, put them on a foregone conclusion trial and then shoot them, foregoing the obligatory torture the Soviets would have thought necessary!
 

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Good news, it will be British, USAians or French arresting the dynamic duo, put them on a foregone conclusion trial and then shoot them, foregoing the obligatory torture the Soviets would have thought necessary!

I wonder if the Allies will agree to split Slovakia into occupation zones or if Slovakia is so irrelevant that they won't even bother or will forget.
 

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He makes a rather good point. Perhaps he should be getting the white sheets ready to hang out the window of the command shack? Procure an assortment of the flags of the invading powers to wave at them as their tanks roll through the streets of Bratislava? Start practicing his cover story about his name being Biso, not Tiso, and he that he is just a humble window cleaner. Without doing any war crimes.
I fear Tiso would be a bit too well known. He did insist on putting his face on the coins and they were proper (mostly) silver coins that will retain some value, from the scrap value admittedly but certainly far more valuable than the paper notes would ever be.

It seems the Allied and Soviet air forces know where Bratislava is, at least! ;)
They just think it is a surprisingly backward German town. Or perhaps the Race to Bratislava was a real thing and not just something that the Slovaks made up to feel important?

Surprised they had the tech for that, whatever the quality. Perhaps the Slovak Academy of ‘Sciences’ should have been located there!
You have not seen the quality of the sinks. Pruzinsky is disgusted by them and refuses to go anywhere near them.

Well, how long is that list really? A single Militia Division at half-strength, that's 4.000 names, tops, so 3 hours 20 minutes if you count 3 seconds per soldier. At some point this level of detail will become appropriate...
Well at this point they still have two half strength infantry divisions on top of the weakened militia, so that's another 10,000 names. But I agree at some point that level of detail will be the way to go.

Are they really trying to flatten it, or is it just some sightseeing. I mean, it's not like there ever was much that could be flattened. In the same way tourists go to old industrial areas to see the devastation and poverty that are the consequence of rapid de-industrialisation, they may be looking down on Bratislava, in awe of the total lack of industrialisation.
The strategic bomber boys are taking photos to 'prove' just how much damage they can do. "Look, we have bombed it back to a pre-medieval level of development."

They probably produce some kind of basic 'adobe'-style brick. Putting clay in vaguely rectangular moulds and drying it in the sun. It's a very old technique that can be quite durable, as long as the weather remains dry enough. These kinds of bricks being quite unsuitable for the Slovakian winter, which is probably why they are being produced there.
This is absolutely the sort of brick Slovakia would produce. Only with the wrong sort of Clay and the 'vaugely' rectangular moulds would be the kind of misshapen and lumpy rectangle a toddler would be embarrassed to draw.

Good news, it will be British, USAians or French arresting the dynamic duo, put them on a foregone conclusion trial and then shoot them, foregoing the obligatory torture the Soviets would have thought necessary!
Would the Soviets really have bothered torturing T&T? Quick denounciation, make them dig their own unmarked grave and then shoot them. Saves the state the expense of storing them and running a kangaroo trial. It wouldn't be a show trial, because who would bother to watch? Can't have a show trial if no-one is watching.

I wonder if the Allies will agree to split Slovakia into occupation zones or if Slovakia is so irrelevant that they won't even bother or will forget.
I do like the idea of East and West Slovakia, perhaps with a new generation of puppet leaders glaring at each other across a badly made 'Bratislava Wall' in the divided capital. Then the Soviets and Allies agreeing to jointly build a wall around both East and West Slovakia to stop any of them getting out.
 

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I do like the idea of East and West Slovakia, perhaps with a new generation of puppet leaders glaring at each other across a badly made 'Bratislava Wall' in the divided capital. Then the Soviets and Allies agreeing to jointly build a wall around both East and West Slovakia to stop any of them getting out.
It'd be a little bit of an interesting reversal, what with the divided capital sitting in what would presumably be the Allied/NATO half of the country. Perhaps in this timeline we will have heroic tales of the Soviet "Bratislava Airlift", eh? :p
 

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It'd be a little bit of an interesting reversal, what with the divided capital sitting in what would presumably be the Allied/NATO half of the country. Perhaps in this timeline we will have heroic tales of the Soviet "Bratislava Airlift", eh? :p
Two East Bratislavians discussing the blockade;
"There is not enough food or coal for us all, what are we to do?"
"Worry not comrade, Moscow has announced that the Soviet Air Force will be flying special missions to solve the problem. Look, there they are dropping food supplies."
"Why are there no parachutes on the food drops?"
"Superior Soviet engineering of the food parcels."
"Those food drops look a lot like bombs."
"Just Communist Efficiency reusing old bomb cases."
"They are also exploding a lot like bombs."
"Oh. Oh dear."

Later that day, a government spokesmen issued the following statement.

"The East Bratislavan Government is pleased to announce that the blockade is over. Thanks to the heroic and noble efforts of the Soviet Air Force, there is now just enough population for the available supplies."
 
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Would the Soviets really have bothered torturing T&T? Quick denounciation, make them dig their own unmarked grave and then shoot them. Saves the state the expense of storing them and running a kangaroo trial. It wouldn't be a show trial, because who would bother to watch? Can't have a show trial if no-one is watching.
This sounds plausible. Anyone the NKVD can send the bill to for the single 9mm Tokarev round each that would need to be spent on them?
 

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This sounds plausible. Anyone the NKVD can send the bill to for the single 9mm Tokarev round each that would need to be spent on them?

More importantly, is there anyone in Slovakia who can afford such an absurd expense.
 

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Surely since they call themselves the father of the nation, the bill could be collectively paid for?