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Finally, Slovak troops will be able to defend Slovak Soil, or at least dying on said soil while failing to defend it. It seems that the British pushing north from the Balkans will get to the Slovak border first, but will they be the first to Bratislava? Another question is whether any of the Slovak Divisions will return home in time for there to be a home to defend.
 

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I fear comrades, we are in serious danger of this aar actually beginning to end?
 

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I fear comrades, we are in serious danger of this aar actually beginning to end?

If the British assault on Bratislava is as competent as the assault on Paris then we have plenty of time, enough for the 2nd division to get back just at the right moment to surrender.
 

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Or, will the game (knowing that the Slovaks are human-controlled) force them to go Government in Exile and play out until the Axis are completely destroyed?!
 

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Boooooooooooo!! :p
Heathen. :D

Finally, Slovak troops will be able to defend Slovak Soil, or at least dying on said soil while failing to defend it. It seems that the British pushing north from the Balkans will get to the Slovak border first, but will they be the first to Bratislava? Another question is whether any of the Slovak Divisions will return home in time for there to be a home to defend.
These are excellent question, some of which will be answered next time.

I fear comrades, we are in serious danger of this aar actually beginning to end?
I am on Screenshot 307 out of 438, or about 70% through. This is not as informative as it seems, because many of the screenshots are boring and don't end up being used. However I think we can safely say we are within sight of the beginning of the end.

If the British assault on Bratislava is as competent as the assault on Paris then we have plenty of time, enough for the 2nd division to get back just at the right moment to surrender.
That's just what the AI wants you to think before it unleashes a strategic masterstroke.
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Or, will the game (knowing that the Slovaks are human-controlled) force them to go Government in Exile and play out until the Axis are completely destroyed?!
This is just one of the many bold frontiers of AAR-making that Inevitable Defeat is exploring - what happens a player led country gets defeated? I will not ruin the surprise.

El Pip Question

This is not a voting opportunity. HumbleBundle are doing a deal on seemingly all the CK2 DLCs for a ridiculous price. I've got the base vanilla game (possibly from an earlier bundle) but never really got round to playing it. Is it something people would recommend for a HOI-ist ?
 

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It's definitely a fun time if you're into building your dynasty. A friend and I built a mod where we're in the game with our families and its been entertaining to unify Ireland and Brittany before going forward to conquer Scotland or England, but I don't necessarily get into the other aspects.
 

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El Pip Question
This is not a voting opportunity. HumbleBundle are doing a deal on seemingly all the CK2 DLCs for a ridiculous price. I've got the base vanilla game (possibly from an earlier bundle) but never really got round to playing it. Is it something people would recommend for a HOI-ist ?
I never really got into it, but I've been guilty of breaking it out every once in a while to build dynasties and promote incest throughout the realm, as one does.

The gameplay is really mostly focused on the characters you play as rather than building a nation-state or empire, so if you're not a big fan of role-playing aspects then it's probably not recommended. If you find the time period itself intriguing, you'll probably get your money's worth just from booting up a couple of campaigns and spending a dozen hours finding wives for your vassal's stepfather's third cousin thrice-removed's sister-in-law's great-grandfather's godchild, as one does. If your primary thought on the medieval period is "No tanks? Why even live, then?", it's probably safe to skip it.

I did just put down for the bundle, so you know, disclaimer and all that.
 

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El Pip Question
This is not a voting opportunity. HumbleBundle are doing a deal on seemingly all the CK2 DLCs for a ridiculous price. I've got the base vanilla game (possibly from an earlier bundle) but never really got round to playing it. Is it something people would recommend for a HOI-ist ?

Well it's certainly interesting if you really want to change history and make it unrecognisably different (like stopping the English language from existing, the split between east and west Christian churches, fall of abbasids, pagans etc). It's different from every other paradox title quite dramatically. You really are playing a family, not a country. Everything else, religion, culture, government type, who you want to end up ruling even, none of that matters as much as survival. This difference does make the game learning curve more like a brick wall if you're new to paradox games, but for those familiar, you have to run a nation but one step removed, because you're not controlling the nation but the ruler (or some guy in it). So it could well be in your interest to ruin a nation and destroy your own people to benefit your family, either to get them on top or get their freedom etc.

I'd say give it a go and see what happens. There is a lot of variety and player choice in this one, unlike some other titles, but also a lot of random stuff that will ensure you stay in your toes, because your realm might be fine but your ruler can die whenever the game feels like it. I'm also a fan of the absurdist stuff, like turning on all the settings to max so magical and mad stuff happens everywhere, the local satanist genuinely can throw fireballs with his mind and you may randomly turn into a bear if you are Welsh enough. Also the Scottish kings really like eating people.

Another gameplay note is that the AI is suprsingly excellent, esepecially at the core aspects of daily family politics. But because warfare is simplified compared to other stuff and it's impossible to do naval battles, everyone genuinely will (usually) fight wars properly, invade islands, flank your armies, trap you in traps, murder your characters if it suits them, etc etc. Albion has quite the example of this in the Welf family. Basically, CKII has AI that you usually have to try to beat.
 

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Thanks all for the CK2 advice, I think I will take the plunge on the bundle.

those 2 "Hungarian" divisions are actually German?
They are indeed. The Axis powers have engaged in a great deal of division swapping, there's 30 odd German division in Hungarian service and a bit under 30 Hungarian divisions wearing German hats. It's a bit odd.

On which note, let us return to Bratislava!
 
12th January 1945

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12th January 1945

The Slovak Total War Cabinet has been assembled due to the threat to Bratislava, though it is remarkably similar to a standard Slovak War Cabinet just more dramatic. Tiso's contemplation on the worth, or otherwise, of renaming his cabinet is interrupted by Tuka starting the meeting.

"Do we have any domestic news?" He asks.

Silence.

"Excellent." Tiso said. "We never get good domestic news."

"Can we have a military update?" Tuka asked.

"Yes." Malar said.

More Silence.

Before his colleague had a chance to scream Tiso hurriedly asked his next question.

"Please summarise the military situation." He said.

"In words, not interpretative dance." A still angry Tuka threatened.

A disappointed Kubela pulled out the map.

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The Slovak Front. If you ignore No.4 Group of the RAF attempting to flatten Vienna then very little has changed. There is now a Hungarian Corps HQ running about the place, but they are unlikely to be of much practical help.

"The entire Slovak Army is still in transit back to defend Bratislava." General Kubela announced.

"And when will they arrive?"

"Soon." Kubela said.

"Ish." Added General Malar.

"Probably." Kubela conceded.

Correctly realising this was the best he was going to get, Tiso moved on to the last topic.

"Any foreign news?"

"The disgusting heretics of the so-called Polish government in exile have revealed themselves to be worse than we previously suspected." Fritz angrily announced.

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The Polish leaks that triggered the normally calm and rational Fritz.

"Why is Fritz so angry with Poland?" Tuka whispered to Tuka.

"The Poles appointed a minister called Unrug. He took it as an insult against carpets and has never forgiven them for it." Tuka explained.

Tiso decided to try and forget he had ever asked.

"And what news has leaked?"

"Due their boundless depravity they are unable to find enough people debased enough to join the cabinet, therefore they have been forced to appoint several corpses to key roles." Fritz gloated.

"That is most shameful." Tiso nodded. "Anything else."

"The French government has been rocked by a scandal involving a Rogue Politician." Associate-Deputy-Junior Foreign Minister Durcanksy volunteered.

Tiso looked up with interest.

"It turns out De Gaulle has accidentally appointed a rogue minister." Durcansky explained.

"Why is he rogue?" Tiso asked.

"Well the rest of his government is traitors, idiots, corpses and people who are utterly unqualified. General de Tassigny is alive, good at his job and loyal. De Gaulle is under great pressure to sack him and go back to having a completely awful cabinet."

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The French parade of governmental awfulness.

Relieved that there was at least one European leader with government worse than Slovakia's, Tiso reached for his hipflask to toast that small achievement.

*glug, glug, glug*

---
Notes:
The Slovak front remains stable, though there is at last a Race to Bratislava - will the two divisions get home before the Allies cross the Danube?

I've not gone through the Polish government in exile, I'm sure by now you are happy to believe it is indeed full of corpses and so on. And a Navy Minister call Unrug, which I thought would enrage a carpet fan like Fritz.

The French one though, I felt I had to cover it because it is impressively full of traitors;

Comert - Journalist, former head of PR for the League of Nations and ex-spokesman for the French Foreign Ministry (nearest he ever got to government). Disagreed with De Gaulle on many issues and only kept his paper going due to British support and the fact it was very good, especially compared to the De Gaulle approved 'official' Free French newspaper. Still utterly unqualified to be Foreign Minister and not in favour with De Gaulle.

Bonnet - Foreign Minister in the key pre-war period, unquestionably one of the worst sort of cowardly appeasers. Naturally massive Vichy supporter where he happily ranted about many unpleasant things. At this point hiding in Switzerland as he knew Germany had lost. Amazingly was allowed to run for office again in the early 1950s. Even more amazingly he won the election and got his old seat back and held it till the late 1960s. Baffling.

Chautemps - Former three-times PM of France pre-WW2. Made the proposal that France should surrender if the terms were "honourable" and ended up a Vichy minister. At this point hiding in the US after he was sent there on a diplomatic mission and refused to comeback.

Flandin - Another ex-PM of France, appeaser and ended up as one of the many Vichy PMs. Kicked out by Darlan he escaped to North Africa and got arrested by the Free French. Should be in Prison awaiting post-war trial.

de Tassigny - Complicated chap, youngest French General in the battle of France. Stayed in Vichy and pinged around a bit. During Case Anton (the Germans invading Vichy after Operation Torch) he was the only general to order his troops to resist, so defected across to Free France and ended up very high up in the Free French army. Only competent person on this list.

Schlumberger - Very junior French naval officer (by 1943 he was commanding a single submarine). Brave chap and de Gaulle loved him. But utterly unqualified for the job of Head of the Navy and even de Gaulle knew it; when Schlumberger finally retired in the 1950s he was still only a Captain.

Victor Bourgeois - 49th Prime Minister of France as a proud 'Social Republican' with an inappropriate last name. Sadly he was PM in 1895 and lasted less than 6 months as he wasn't very good at it. More importantly he died in 1925.

Deat - Minister for Air for a few months in 1936 and then passionate appeaser. Openly argued that France should let Germany annex all of Poland. Hardcore collaborator who was eventually rewarded by becoming Minister of Labour and National Solidarity for Vichy. Sadly (for him) this was in March 1944 so he didn't get long to enjoy it. Should be hiding out in Sigmaringen with the rest of the Vichy government in exile.
 

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They had to have been trolling us. Had to.
 

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They had to have been trolling us. Had to.

Well, either that or mindless incompetence. Either way, it makes Paradox look like they think their consumer base is foolish. However, as I noted in my reread of Butterfly Effect, Pip did the same thing at least once so maybe it's like a viral or fungal infection around the game series that latches on to intelligent thought and feeds upon it, leaving its spawn inside trapped bait shaped like historical idiocy memes for future prey to snark on?
 

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Cabinet appointments are always depended on the triangle of evil, good, fast, cheap, chose any 2, guess what the all today's nations chose.
 

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They had to have been trolling us. Had to.
You over-estimate them. ;)

Well, either that or mindless incompetence. Either way, it makes Paradox look like they think their consumer base is foolish. However, as I noted in my reread of Butterfly Effect, Pip did the same thing at least once so maybe it's like a viral or fungal infection around the game series that latches on to intelligent thought and feeds upon it, leaving its spawn inside trapped bait shaped like historical idiocy memes for future prey to snark on?
Difference is I fix my occasional different interpretations of reality.

Paradox's leader errors were in HOI2 and survived through all the DLCs for that game, then into HOI3 and then all the DLCs for that. Despite many, many threads pointing out the problems. Hell there were even Community Leader packs were other people had done all the work for Paradox and said "Please use this in the next patch". But they couldn't even be arsed to do that.

Or were too committed to the trolling to want to change.

Seriously, how hard would it have been to do research about the provisional government
I don't think it was laziness, it must have been harder worker getting things so badly wrong. Some of the incorrect ministers required real work to find.

Cabinet appointments are always depended on the triangle of evil, good, fast, cheap, chose any 2, guess what the all today's nations chose.
Fast and Cheap. Everytime.

Not really, this is France. The last time France had a non-baffling government it was known as the Roman province of Gaul.
Wise words.
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El Pip Question
This is not a voting opportunity. HumbleBundle are doing a deal on seemingly all the CK2 DLCs for a ridiculous price. I've got the base vanilla game (possibly from an earlier bundle) but never really got round to playing it. Is it something people would recommend for a HOI-ist ?
Coming in a bit late after my return from Old Blighty, but i fit your description and it worked for me.
 

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Coming in a bit late after my return from Old Blighty, but i fit your description and it worked for me.
As the plethora of icons by my name hopefully indicates I have accepted these recommendations and taken the plunge, no idea when I'll get a chance to play properly but I am at least prepared for when I do have some time.

Welcome back from your cricket tour, you've timed it well because we are just about to return to Bratislava!