Yes, and there should be a limit to the extent you can industrialize within a certain period of time anyway.
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Not only within time but depending on resources.
The industrialization can't begin without cheap access to a surplus of energy (steam engine) and its fuel (coal).
Afterall it was the mechinized textile industry that was the first
Speaking of industrialization, how will the game simulate Japan's rapid industrialization?
Of course.Originally posted by peo
Not only within time but depending on resources.
The industrialization can't begin without cheap access to a surplus of energy (steam engine) and its fuel (coal).
Afterall it was the mechinized textile industry that was the first
It wasn't that rapid. At the end of this time period, Japan's industry was still inferior to Russia, let alone the other great powers. Japan didn't fully catch up to the West until the 1960s.
Japan still had rapid industrialization, in my opinion. In 1870, Japanese economy was still quite like throughout Edo Period. There was almost no industrial things, and factories, etc. (In 1868 the Meiji Restoration had about just begun, so it was here that industrialization began)
By 1910, only 40 years later, Japan was an industrialized economy (Perhaps not so powerful an industrial economy as some European countries and the United States, but it was still among those, and was an industrial nation). Also, during those years Japan became considered the most powerful Asian nation. It defeated China in the Sino-Japanese War (1894-1895), which was a major blow to the Qing Dynasty, and defeated a major western power, Russia, in the Russo-Japanese War. In 1910, Japan annexed Korea.
So, I think Japan definitely did make rapid progress in industrialization and modernization during this period. By 1910, most of Europe and America also had begun to consider Japan as one of them (an industrialized nation and world power).
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IIRC, the Japanese industrialization was sponserd by Britain and/or other European countries? Is that right? How can that be modeled?
Perhaps an event giving sizable loans to the Japanese? After all, most modern-industrial economies were founded on huge debts...
i believe that is not the industrialization in se that causes unrest.
the unrest is caused by some of its social prerequisites.
that is, the enclausures, and the "sheeps eating men" thing, that was one of the starters of capital accumulation.
another thing is that without colonies with whoose resources fuel the economy industrialization is difficult. (india for britain, whose commerciale balance was up with world, and down only with britain, who used taxes from the locals to pay the administration and to send money home)
after that, there is the difficult part.
industrialization, in the form it took, was a cause of "unrest". just take a look to the british cities and work condition descriptions during the XIX century.
and the social thing. nationalism. the capital written in the 1848.
the internationals.
another thing. the only nation without colonies, in europe, was the one with the late period higher industrialization rates. and that was not guided by the unseen hand. i'm speaking of guglielmine germany.
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the unrest is caused by some of its social prerequisites.
that is, the enclausures, and the "sheeps eating men" thing, that was one of the starters of capital accumulation.
another thing is that without colonies with whoose resources fuel the economy industrialization is difficult. (india for britain, whose commerciale balance was up with world, and down only with britain, who used taxes from the locals to pay the administration and to send money home)
after that, there is the difficult part.
industrialization, in the form it took, was a cause of "unrest". just take a look to the british cities and work condition descriptions during the XIX century.
and the social thing. nationalism. the capital written in the 1848.
the internationals.
another thing. the only nation without colonies, in europe, was the one with the late period higher industrialization rates. and that was not guided by the unseen hand. i'm speaking of guglielmine germany.
see you.
Very true. Its an odd subject, what with the beginnings of the Soviet Union, and even moreso with Stalin. One wants to look at the Stalinistic period in a negative fashion due to many of the horrible atrocities commited... but then it can't be denied that it was a good thing that before the revolution only the very wealthy and aristocratic could read and write, within a relatively short time after the revolution, literacy was above 90%. Its a shame that such progress had to bring with it such a horrible price tag.
Actually, Japan pretty much finianced its own industrialization, largely from the sale of silk on the international market.
Originally posted by N Katsyev
Very true. Its an odd subject, what with the beginnings of the Soviet Union, and even moreso with Stalin. One wants to look at the Stalinistic period in a negative fashion due to many of the horrible atrocities commited... but then it can't be denied that it was a good thing that before the revolution only the very wealthy and aristocratic could read and write, within a relatively short time after the revolution, literacy was above 90%. Its a shame that such progress had to bring with it such a horrible price tag.
Orlando Figes points out that the English, French and Russian revolutions all took place in societies where literacy was approaching 50%. Interesting, I thought.
actually i dont know much about them at all... havent had history for a looong time... I only know about russians... *edit* and french *slams head in table!*
To be fair, 'English Revolution', 'Glorious Revolution', 'Bloodless Revolution' is a bit of an overstatement. Some random Dutchman turns up at Lyme and suddenly we're a parliamentary democracy
Yes, you are correct: Japan did finance most of its industrialization. However, Great Britain helped train the new modern navy, and Prussia helped train the new modern army. It was during this period that zaibatsu (I don't know the English word, and neither does my dictionary.. Sorry
) became influential. Zaibatsu are important companies that were founded and were influential and powerful, and often financed many things. The Mitsubishi Company is an example of a zaibatsu. They were quite important in the economy of Meiji Japan.
You're not the only one to have trouble defining 'zaibatsu' - it seems to have entered the English language, at least for the description of big Japanese cartels.