How will the industrialiaztion be represented in the game will it be buildings you build or will it just happen?
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or for china. I wonder how this will be achieved? will it have to do with how rch the province or your country is? I want this game now!
or for china. I wonder how this will be achieved? will it have to do with how rch the province or your country is? I want this game now!
Simulating the industrial revolution is another way in which this game can be radically different than EU, if done correctly. So here's hoping it's a big, interesting to manage part of the game.
Actually it should be just as easy as for everyone else.. it was just that the Tzar wasnt intrested
That is until a german (iirc) managed to convince Nicolas I that railways where good.. the economic aspects where ignored until the following argument came up: Railroads will be very useful for troop transports to squash rebellions.. just look at how useful railroads where for the brittish to defeat the irish rebellion
Yeah that tzar really cared for the people or nation...
Not that it should be impossible for Russia to become a first rate industrial power, but Russian society wasn't as prepared for industrial development as the major powers of western Europe. Austria had the same problem. In this era, states like Russia, Austria, and Turkey fell behind in the industrial revolution, largely due to their multicultural makeup and deeply rooted social and technological conservatism. It should be difficult for even the most open-minded and innovative monarch to reform and modernize such nations.
I hope they have some sort of slider-system(expanded on, of course) that would be able to slowly change the outlook on things like this. Would make it harder for such nations like the Ottomans to immediately modernize.
Which brings up another point I have: While I think the tech tree should go a little beyond the 1920 endate, I think it should go much farther back than the 1835 startdate. I really hope the african and asian kingdoms are far behind the european powers in tech. Not that they shouldn't be able to move forward if a monarch pushes them that way, just that they would need to climb up the tech ladder a long way just to even catch up.
I don't know about that. No nation should be given incentive not to progress, it should just be far more difficult for some than for others.
That's a great point I hadn't thought of. It would definitly mske it difficult for Argentina of Ethiopia to become a major power. But one most remember Japan's meteoric rise.
Exactly. I don't want these nations not to research at all, that would make it horrible playing them and just feel gamey. They should just have a lot of basic level techs to get first to get on par with a European nation circa 1835.
As for Japan, I think that can be handled through them opening up their formerly closed off economy(which will help their industrialization process) while having a emperor determined to create change(fanatastic monarch and minister ratings.)
Argentina was actually one of the most economically prosperous country in the world in the early 20th century.
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Country 1913 1930 1950 1970 1990
US 5307 6220 9573 14854 21866
Canada 4213 4558 7047 11758 19599
Japan 1334 1780 1873 9448 18548
Argentina 3797 4080 4987 7302 6581Source: Angus Maddison, Monitoring the World Economy 1820-1992, OECD,
Paris, 1995,pp.193 ff.
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What are the units in that chart? I mostly wonder because Canada is higher than the UK, and I can't think of any units where that would be the case (unless you were looking at raw materials production).
Good point about Argentina though.
Good point about Argentina though.
It's in constant 1990 US dollars.
Anyway, I fixed the problem of it showing Canada as being richer per-capita than Britain.
But what do those dollars represent - GDP per capita? Income per capita? Something else?
Back to Argentina - I had a good friend growing up who was half-Argentinian. It's a shame what happened to that country since WWII. So much potential...
It still /has/ that same potential...It's just going to take a lot of work to restore its former glory.
Argentina was mainly prosperous becouse of that the european industrialized nations couldn't support their population with food.
So the US, Canada and Argentina supplied the food.
As for Russias industrialization i think that one of the reasons why they had a hard time to industrialize was the serf system.
That and a horrible education level for the majority of the polulace. I'm not sure about England but at least Sweden had a universal schooling system in place since before the 18th century.
And i think that both Preussia and England had a good level of education compared to most nations.
So the US, Canada and Argentina supplied the food.
As for Russias industrialization i think that one of the reasons why they had a hard time to industrialize was the serf system.
That and a horrible education level for the majority of the polulace. I'm not sure about England but at least Sweden had a universal schooling system in place since before the 18th century.
And i think that both Preussia and England had a good level of education compared to most nations.
Not England. There was no compulsory education there until the 1870s, after practially the rest of the continent had adopted it. There was plenty of education in Scotland, thanks to a difference in tradition, but England remained out of school for an embarrassingly long part of this period.
To be very specific:
Actually, a type of PPP not simply constant dollars.
Also, some growth statistics:
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Per capita real GDP growth: 1900-87 (annual average compound growth rates)
Percent
1900-13 1913-50 1950-73 1973-87
Argentina 2.5 0.7 2.1 -0.8
Latin America 2.1 1.4 2.7 2.5
OECD 1.6 1.2 3.8 1.9Source: Angus Maddison, The World Economy in the 20th Century, (OECD, 1989),
table 3.2, p. 35.
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Interesting discussion. About englands education how could they still industrialize so fast without having any education then? because they had enough smart people? haha...
Sweden go compulsory schools in early 1800 i think... Hopefully they will symbolise how some countries like russia didnt want the industries somehow.
Interesting discussion. About englands education how could they still industrialize so fast without having any education then? because they had enough smart people? haha...
Sweden go compulsory schools in early 1800 i think... Hopefully they will symbolise how some countries like russia didnt want the industries somehow.