Industrial potential.

[Daddl]

Industrial potential is limited by region type, sure. But we don't know the region types in China or India yet, do we?

Considering their population, there should be quite a bit of urban areas, definetely with a lot more place for factories than they start with.

Of course, you won't be able to make Tibet or Siam the powerhouse of the world, at least not in their original territory. But nothing stops you to grab some land where you can built a decent powerbase, if you really want to play for decades.

 

[Loke]

Good question, I will try to give my view on it.
China in the 30s and 40s had spent the last 100 or so years in civil war or losing wars to the western power (France, UK, Germany etc) and during the Manchurian imperial dynasty was a really backwards country, they had started industrializing the nation as well as can be done for a nation so far into debt.

Korea in the late 1800s had been a marvel of innovation and learning but was a rural country (Fun trivia: Korea made the first bullet prof vest around 1890ish, never made it into mass production). Being conquered by japan did not help either.

Vietnam and Thailand was not well industrialized at all, Vietnam being a rice basket and Thailand trying to stay out of the British empire.

India was well industrialized at the time but under British rule.

Australia and New Zealand were rural countrys with some industries, maybe more the some but with british goods imported since the founding there was not a very large demand for internal production.

Japan was the only country in Asia that was well industrialized and on par with the western powers, but even if they managed to conquer all of asia they had the same problem as europe. They were hated by most because of there success. In history Japan did not endear themselves either, the Naking massacre for one.

Even if you remove all civil unrest from being conquered then you still would have the problem of building a tone of industris from scratch, not an easy task for 12 years. In fact almost impossible, almost

I agree.

 

[Heruure]

Why do everyone talk about 12 years? The game goes on into infinity.

 

[XenJang]

Peace time, or war time?

 

[Pashahlis]

Why do everyone talk about 12 years? The game goes on into infinity.

Wait what? Didnt they say it goes the standard 36-48 route?

 

[bengast]

Wait what? Didnt they say it goes the standard 36-48 route?

They said you can easily change the end date (its just a date in a file somewhere). This was said by Daniel I believe during his 1st WWW session, I think.

 

[Qrt_La55en]

Wait what? Didnt they say it goes the standard 36-48 route?

The default game will end in 1948. But as bengast said, it can be changed to whatever you like in a file somewhere. When someone find it, please let me know

 

[Daddl]

You will get a score screen in 1948 and of course the tech tree and all that doesn't have more to offer, but you can play indefinetely even without mods.

 

[Heruure]

Ya, you get score thing and that in 48 but you can continue on into infinity.

 

[Price21]

Yea i'm pretty sure you can continue on in '48 but they do give you a choice to end game..

 

[Sir Garnet]

Why do everyone talk about 12 years? The game goes on into infinity.

Indeed it does.- keep playing and it is the there-is-no-end-of-war "Fallout"-like scenario, where everything has a '50s look until things blow up.

 

[Sun_Wu]

Nothing is impossible. 22 years ago, the GDP of China was only a bit more than a tenth of that of Japan. And what about nowadays?

That was only possible due to containerization.

 

[shri]

P.S. People sometimes don't get the facts straight(all those planes, tanks, men the Americans contributed) a good deal never made it to the front lines. Russia had massive manpower but what percentage actually got trained and served and what point could she be short? She was not an endless sea of manpower more so than China or America. There is always limitations to what you're capable of. Also She mobilized her women too, something say the Axis wouldn't do... Interesting but what can be accomplished(Germany delayed full military economy till way late, what would that have done early?) Maybe all this stuff is impossible to fathom but what should and shouldn't be options shouldn't be so picky. We should choose(even if it's not war winning) for our fun and entertainment as baby Historians

Not really, TOOZE has conclusively proven that the Third Reich mobilised more % of women for work than the USA or UK, though the USSR did even better. Again, the German economy on its own (along-with the occupied places of Europe) was about 150% of the USSR (in effective terms) - look at production of ammunition etc, Russians produced a lot of gun tubes, Germans decided to produce less tubes and more ammunition (similar strategy was done by them in WW1 also).
Also as a % of men mobilised for War, the Germans mobilised more than any country except USSR.
Also, the German economy was mobilised much more than what is widely claimed. It was "inefficient" due to conflicting war-aims and "Nazi internal politics". Albert Speer is not a good guide to the War Economy of Germany.

Eg: Focus was wasted on V-Weapons, Rockets, Wunderwaffe etc and they ignored Fordism at their own peril.

P.S: It was a Cluster**** by a group of "Economic powers" that made victory possible.

 

[The_Meme_Man]

Really, only China should be able to get an industry like Japan by end game. India should be able to come close if Britain chooses the nat focus for developing the Raj. India should be industrially comparable to Japan before WWI without help.

Iran and Iraq I can see being the only other Asian nations with ANY industry to rely on indigenous production and research by end game. Siam doesn't have the resources, and Manchukuo doesn't exist in game yet if at all.

 

[Sun_Wu]

Really, only China should be able to get an industry like Japan by end game. India should be able to come close if Britain chooses the nat focus for developing the Raj. India should be industrially comparable to Japan before WWI without help.

Iran and Iraq I can see being the only other Asian nations with ANY industry to rely on indigenous production and research by end game. Siam doesn't have the resources, and Manchukuo doesn't exist in game yet if at all.

If Tata was given free rein in India to industrialised it would have been swift. The internal market is so huge that they could increase industry exponentially as India also has substantial mineral reserves.

 

[The_Meme_Man]

If Tata was given free rein in India to industrialised it would have been swift. The internal market is so huge that they could increase industry exponentially as India also has substantial mineral reserves.

Then there is the matter of building them factories. The PHYSICAL industrialization will be the hardest, since Indians were exposed to enough western ideas to be almost mentally prepared.

India starts on the Allies. They also must fight a war.

 

[crabby]

Population, while having an obvious correlation with the economy of a nation, is not the only or even one of the most important factors.

Asia having comparable output to the USA in 1945 or so is pure fantasy.

 

[CrasherZZ]

Don't know what's possible in game terms since the games not even out yet, of course, but historicaly US industrial output in 1945 was equal to the rest of the world combined. USA was also wealthier than the rest of the world combined. The only way Asia could get such an industrial build-up would be if there was no war taking place in it. The US had a huge geographical advantage in being isolated and protected by the world's largest oceans, as well as not being a colonized country.

 

[shri]

Don't know what's possible in game terms since the games not even out yet, of course, but historicaly US industrial output in 1945 was equal to the rest of the world combined. USA was also wealthier than the rest of the world combined. The only way Asia could get such an industrial build-up would be if there was no war taking place in it. The US had a huge geographical advantage in being isolated and protected by the world's largest oceans, as well as not being a colonized country.

1945 is an anomaly which occurs once in a thousand years.
Apt comparison is 1938, where the USA had something like 28% of world's IC which is correct, though in "War making potential terms" it was more like 25% of the World.

 

[shri]

Then there is the matter of building them factories. The PHYSICAL industrialization will be the hardest, since Indians were exposed to enough western ideas to be almost mentally prepared.

India starts on the Allies. They also must fight a war.

It is a bit more complicated due to the fact that till 1945, the World was on "GOLD Standard" and continued on a psuedo Gold Standard till 1973 (the US dollar being linked to GOLD).
Only, once the "GOLD Standard" was totally abandoned that countries with low base such as - South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, Malaysia, China, India were able to rapidly industrialize.
The only country that successfully managed a rapid industrialisation in the GOLD standard (one generation advance) was the USSR and we all know the "cost" paid by them.