I was thinking, could all of Asia (Except Russia) and Oceania rival the US in industrial potential after building up as much as possible?
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Industrial potential.
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In HoI4 it depends on the sum of building slots.
In real life? Alone China has more population. So why not?
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Even if all Indians and Chinese can speak Japanese and 100% cooperating with the latter, 12 years aren't enough.
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Since i plan on playing way into the 2000s i wish they could raise the cap slowly afterwards, shouldnt be too hard to raise the cap by a few factories every 10 years or so. 
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I dont get your point. How is speaking foreign languages related to industrialization? Europe industrialized without speaking a common language too. Not even today europeans speak the same language. And the cooperation between the countries was not very high ( world wars?! ).
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12 years aren't enough even with Japanese expertise plus the population and resources of China and India .
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Probably not, ahistorically the USA had such a monster high production compared to others at this time. Whilst Russia managed to produce a lot, if you read a German war novel, such as In Deadly Combat, you can see that Russia was using USA made goods, trucks, food, ect. While we do live in 2016 and times are changed, given that time frame, unlikely.
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Well you may have to mod the development level of each state but that should be it.
USA start with alot of factories but you can build factories quite quickly in HOI4 and the hard limit become just how many factories each state can support and that is based on the state's development level. You may also have to mod how many strategic resources your states produce to support your massive industry.
USA start with alot of factories but you can build factories quite quickly in HOI4 and the hard limit become just how many factories each state can support and that is based on the state's development level. You may also have to mod how many strategic resources your states produce to support your massive industry.
Before the answer was a yes, with a good amount of time of course. But now, thanks to the fact industrial potential in states is limited to the province type, I am not sure if you could.
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Well its too soon to tell we dident see how China or India are divided in province type
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+1 to this, hopefully. In a game that goes to 1960 or 1970, sure (as long as Asia's playing nice and working together to industrialise, instead of being caught up in the Cold War and Mao doing silly things like Great Leaps Backward), but between 1936 and 1948 it's less plausible than having flying battleships in the game (and I don't want flying battleships either
). As Caesar15 says, with province types defining max building slots, I expect it'll be outright impossible now, although am sure it'll be moddable for folk who want games that go well past 1948 .- 1
According to the basic settings for industry and economy in HOI4, IMO an EU4 province can be shown as an HOI4 region to represent a historical circuit.
Nothing is impossible. 22 years ago, the GDP of China was only a bit more than a tenth of that of Japan. And what about nowadays?
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Agreed! Limiting industrial development to the Majors will leave the Mediums and Minors as unplayable, also... The time frame is short but a fully mobilized nation for Industrialization can accomplish quite a bit. India/China/Mexico/Vietnam/many Eastern European Nations/Malaysia/on and on and on. South Korea, whoa... They sell more cars than Ford? In less than 15 years? There is always limitations for the time and location, infrastructure, educated workers, population, resources, demand, etc... The most Industrial places on Earth in the game are Japan/Europe/USA...30s and 40s... China is a Major Monster(she sacrificed the now for the Tomorrow and had a wonderful place to sell her goods) Opportunity knocks! If a Power adjacent or friendly to you needs your stuff that will increase your economy had the Soviets not gone to war and the British surrendered would America have had an Economic Boom at all? Probably not... The event coding is geared toward WW2?
Part of the fun of HOI is decided this... Shall I pursue a powerful Combo Navy/Airforce to support my Allies. A powerful Army/Airforce to support my Allies? Part why the Axis lost they did not work together well. Had Italy/Japan/Germany actually worked together we might have had a little better fight. Russian Siberians taken out of China, a focus on India with both Axis partners to isolate The USSR(historical idea).
Italy constantly sucked out German resources, delay her offensives and tied up more of her troops. Had she remained neutral she would have done wonders for Germany.
Germany was a fair economic power with an Army. Like Prussia was an Army really without a Nation. Though they accomplished a lot. The Axis should only really be able to win with quick KOs, not use the Industrial Route people are saying? Hmm, the inherent capabilities of the West are something the Axis can never match, perhaps in the time frame that is mostly true. Leaving The Axis to the same fate over and over, quick KO or lose to an endless tide of Men/Material/Industry... Which is historical, but as fun as a little bit of variant?
P.S. People sometimes don't get the facts straight(all those planes, tanks, men the Americans contributed) a good deal never made it to the front lines. Russia had massive manpower but what percentage actually got trained and served and what point could she be short? She was not an endless sea of manpower more so than China or America. There is always limitations to what you're capable of. Also She mobilized her women too, something say the Axis wouldn't do... Interesting but what can be accomplished(Germany delayed full military economy till way late, what would that have done early?) Maybe all this stuff is impossible to fathom but what should and shouldn't be options shouldn't be so picky. We should choose(even if it's not war winning) for our fun and entertainment as baby Historians
Part of the fun of HOI is decided this... Shall I pursue a powerful Combo Navy/Airforce to support my Allies. A powerful Army/Airforce to support my Allies? Part why the Axis lost they did not work together well. Had Italy/Japan/Germany actually worked together we might have had a little better fight. Russian Siberians taken out of China, a focus on India with both Axis partners to isolate The USSR(historical idea).
Italy constantly sucked out German resources, delay her offensives and tied up more of her troops. Had she remained neutral she would have done wonders for Germany.
Germany was a fair economic power with an Army. Like Prussia was an Army really without a Nation. Though they accomplished a lot. The Axis should only really be able to win with quick KOs, not use the Industrial Route people are saying? Hmm, the inherent capabilities of the West are something the Axis can never match, perhaps in the time frame that is mostly true. Leaving The Axis to the same fate over and over, quick KO or lose to an endless tide of Men/Material/Industry... Which is historical, but as fun as a little bit of variant?
P.S. People sometimes don't get the facts straight(all those planes, tanks, men the Americans contributed) a good deal never made it to the front lines. Russia had massive manpower but what percentage actually got trained and served and what point could she be short? She was not an endless sea of manpower more so than China or America. There is always limitations to what you're capable of. Also She mobilized her women too, something say the Axis wouldn't do... Interesting but what can be accomplished(Germany delayed full military economy till way late, what would that have done early?) Maybe all this stuff is impossible to fathom but what should and shouldn't be options shouldn't be so picky. We should choose(even if it's not war winning) for our fun and entertainment as baby Historians
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Aye, but much of the groundwork for the huge improvements over the last two decades was done prior to the mid-1990s, being based in Deng Xiaoping's reforms that started in the late 1970s - so we're talking 30-40 years, against 12 years in HoI.
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Isn't this game supposed to be more sandbox than Hoi3?
It worries me if the industrial potential of nations is limited, it would hurt the sandbox aspect and make playing smaller nations less fun.
It worries me if the industrial potential of nations is limited, it would hurt the sandbox aspect and make playing smaller nations less fun.
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Sandbox doesn't mean "anything goes" though (well, not necessarily), and in the PDS sense sandbox is usually at least attempting to be some semblance of historically plausible mechanics - so while HoI4 is more of a sandbox (the USSR won't DoW Germany in 1942/3 come what may because it's hardcoded in), the mechanics are broadly historically plausible.
Put it another way - if you have unlimited industrial potential, then what's stopping Bhutan outstripping the USA, and how would that make any sense in any way that would be immersive?
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If you manage to sell all your resources(4 for every 1 ind), focus everything on industry, and if Japan doesn't attack you, then I think it's possible, but that's just a pure guess, and Japan leaving you alone is not so likely
Edit: So maybe if you have a friend playing America guaranteing you and buys all of your resources
Edit: So maybe if you have a friend playing America guaranteing you and buys all of your resources
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Good question, I will try to give my view on it.
China in the 30s and 40s had spent the last 100 or so years in civil war or losing wars to the western power (France, UK, Germany etc) and during the Manchurian imperial dynasty was a really backwards country, they had started industrializing the nation as well as can be done for a nation so far into debt.
Korea in the late 1800s had been a marvel of innovation and learning but was a rural country (Fun trivia: Korea made the first bullet prof vest around 1890ish, never made it into mass production). Being conquered by japan did not help either.
Vietnam and Thailand was not well industrialized at all, Vietnam being a rice basket and Thailand trying to stay out of the British empire.
India was well industrialized at the time but under British rule.
Australia and New Zealand were rural countrys with some industries, maybe more the some but with british goods imported since the founding there was not a very large demand for internal production.
Japan was the only country in Asia that was well industrialized and on par with the western powers, but even if they managed to conquer all of asia they had the same problem as europe. They were hated by most because of there success. In history Japan did not endear themselves either, the Naking massacre for one.
Even if you remove all civil unrest from being conquered then you still would have the problem of building a tone of industris from scratch, not an easy task for 12 years. In fact almost impossible, almost
China in the 30s and 40s had spent the last 100 or so years in civil war or losing wars to the western power (France, UK, Germany etc) and during the Manchurian imperial dynasty was a really backwards country, they had started industrializing the nation as well as can be done for a nation so far into debt.
Korea in the late 1800s had been a marvel of innovation and learning but was a rural country (Fun trivia: Korea made the first bullet prof vest around 1890ish, never made it into mass production). Being conquered by japan did not help either.
Vietnam and Thailand was not well industrialized at all, Vietnam being a rice basket and Thailand trying to stay out of the British empire.
India was well industrialized at the time but under British rule.
Australia and New Zealand were rural countrys with some industries, maybe more the some but with british goods imported since the founding there was not a very large demand for internal production.
Japan was the only country in Asia that was well industrialized and on par with the western powers, but even if they managed to conquer all of asia they had the same problem as europe. They were hated by most because of there success. In history Japan did not endear themselves either, the Naking massacre for one.
Even if you remove all civil unrest from being conquered then you still would have the problem of building a tone of industris from scratch, not an easy task for 12 years. In fact almost impossible, almost