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Hello everyone!

Probably asked many times before, but the Google search isn't yielding many Plaza or Reddit results.

I am doing an Ardabil run trying to get Shahanshah and other Persian achievements, and currently facing off against the Timurids, who I need to conquer to secure the remainder of the Persian Plateau. It is the 1530s and Shah Rukh has died several decades prior.

I have Supported Independence for Timurids' remaining vassals, including Transoxiana, Khorasan, Fars, and Afghanistan. Collectively, I think we could all attack together and likely beat the Timurids. However, they are all at 100% Independence Desire and still won't attempt an independence war. Is there anything further I can do besides hope that the Timurids lose in a calamitous war in China or India, which might motivate the vassals to declare independence? I thought of just outright attacking the Timurids, but it looks like the vassals will all join against me in the fight. Perhaps, if I am lucky, I could get a couple good hits on the Timurids and that will press them to betray their overlord mid-war? The odds are really bad for a full-frontal offensive against the Timurids at this stage, and I am running out of options to expand that don't involve going to war with the Ottomans (also bad, if not worse), or betraying my ally Musasha for their Persian and Iraqi holdings.
 

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I think disloyal vassals don’t assist their liege in a war, they just stand in their own territory. Can you take on the Timurids alone, assuming they won’t get any help from the vassals?
 
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I think disloyal vassals don’t assist their liege in a war, they just stand in their own territory. Can you take on the Timurids alone, assuming they won’t get any help from the vassals?
You were correct, the vassals remained passive even after I attacked. Them not joining the Timurid armies made a huge difference to the war, and I managed to score a major victory against them.

The vassals soon revolted afterwards, following the significant weakness suffered by the Timurid armies.
 
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