Indians ( i mean native americans ) in VIC

[veji2]

I was wondering when reading DK's AAR about France kicking feds' asses with France, how is modelled the situation of native americans in Vic, and more specifically concerning the high number of them in Oklahoma ( indian territory ) If I remenber coorectly it became a state somewhen in between 1905 and 1910, but I remnber that before that indians tried to have it become the first indian state within the US, a demand thay made in the 1880's I think, and thay were denied that possibility.

I was wondering if this possibility would be depicted with events or such, and how native americans ethnicity would be represented, will there be all the different tribes or just a generic NA ethnic group ?

 

[Johan]

American natives have been abstracted down to major ethnicity groups like Cherokee, Cree, Dakota etc, since groups below 5,000 in a province is irrelevant.

 

[Finnish Dragon]

Is there the Custer event? Indians destroy Custers cavalry regiment, Custer dies(sleepevent) and USA loses some prestige because no one expected that indians could defeat US regular army in battle. I guess Indians will fight back as they historically did and there are some native unrest events.

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

I would hope so! The Indian Wars of the late 19th century are critical in American History.

 

[Dievs]

I think that this is a prime example of what should NOT be handled by events, but by the game engine instead.

a) Indian POP's get high militancy because of the political situation
b) Indian POP's rebel
c) USA AI (or human) sends a minor army to suppress the rebellion
d) The army loses, and it's leader (whoever it happens to be) dies on the field.
e) Prestige lowers, because of humiliation of losing to 'uncivilised' forces


Making it a hard-coded event isn't needed at all, and would be just harmful -
Such an event shouldn't happen, if USA had been pursuing a more peaceful policy with the indians.
Such an event shouldn't happen if the USA sends a large, powerful, well-trained army and is able to eliminate the indian forces with a few shots.

On the other hand, the exact same effects need to happen if such a situation arises with the ahistorically victorious CSA or even Mexico, if the indian militancy peaks 20 years earlier or 20 years later, or if such an situation arises in Southern America, etc, etc - and this event can't handle all that anyway.

 

[Johan]

There are events which increases militancy among certain native american ethnicities.

 

[Dibujante]

This is the era of so-called "civilized" European powers colonising large parts of the "uncivilized" world. It should be hard-coded into the game that if you lose any battle against an enemy with x number of tech levels lower than yours, you suffer a stability and VP hit.

However, give the Indians a chance. And remember, they had much higher populations than were modelled in EU2. Smallpox kept European populations down. It wasn't there in the New World.

Regards,
Dibujante

 

[dtroiani]

Sounds to me like they have a good solution. We will see when we get to play the game...