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i "experimented" with this once.... i gave britian three of the indian cultures
the game wasa a bit of a joke (but fun all the same) due to the massive indian populations. the pops were spliting faster than i could build factories. the WM was flooded with uk products after only a few years.
ok i know that giving the uk extra cultures is taking it a bit further than just allowing factories (or even just some factories) to be built in india, but even just allowing that would make the UK far far far too powerful even in the hands of the AI.
the game wasa a bit of a joke (but fun all the same) due to the massive indian populations. the pops were spliting faster than i could build factories. the WM was flooded with uk products after only a few years.
ok i know that giving the uk extra cultures is taking it a bit further than just allowing factories (or even just some factories) to be built in india, but even just allowing that would make the UK far far far too powerful even in the hands of the AI.
Waffen9999 said:
No fabric. Absolutely not. Not really any steel either. Lumber, yes. Lumber is easy.
cymruwarrior said:
Were they building them from scratch or assembling them from parts? We shipped steam engines all over. If we could ship Cleopatra's needle to London...
Domimions can only DoW their masters and we wanted IND to be able to continue asia spread of the empire. It's got a perpetual alliance with the UK anyway, so the only real difference is A) It works the way we want it to and B) It doesn't say "Dominion of an empire" when you click on them.
Golden_Deliciou said:
No I meant the Indians could work in Fabric and Lumber mills. While your British pop work in the steel mills back at home. Fabric is pretty much the textile industry and they did produce textiles in India.
Dolorous Edd said:
Probably more traditional method but it's not as if we can emulate that so giving at least a level 2 fabric factory shouldn't be insane. Surely there's gotta be a way to cap it from being increased. If it burns down.... well tough luck?
Waffen9999 said:
In cottage industries, for personal use, and in insufficient quantities to satisfy even domestic demand.
Didn't you see the film "Ghandi"? He was agitating to re-start Indian clothing industry to screw up the British export market.
Golden_Deliciou said:
Well somethings gotta be done. You can't honestly sit there and tell me that there was not some level of industrial development in India that is not present in Victoria.
Waffen9999 said:
At the time of the start of the GC in 1836 those areas under British East India Company control were being swamped by imports of finished manufactured goods from Britain. This was especially true of the textile industry which could not compete with the lower cost to consumer of mass-produced Lancashire cottons. The result would be a dramatic shift in India's economy towards primary goods production in tea, cotton, dyes and opium. There have been several studies on the economic impact of British rule on India, and in terms of manufactuing most of the analyses are negative. One method used to solidify this in early 19th century was the British Parliament requiring the BEIC use only British-made goods such as paper, glass and shipping to administer India. The state has always been a major market for manufatures in India, and the effect was to kill a major customer for the local manufacturers, who were also foced to deal with the fact that Indian markets were also being flooded with British-made goods that cost less for the consumer than local-made products, even after shipping. Hence India was by 1880 generating most of its income via raw material production. It was really a one-way street in terms of trade, one which British manufacutrers made sure Parliament kept in their favor by not allowing the Indian administration (BEIC or, after 1857, Crown rule) the ability to raise tariffs to encourage local production. In the 1880s there is the first talk about promoting industrialization in India in some circles, but it is only as a result of World War I and the decline in production in Britain itself that the first steps are taken to support Indian industry (this is when the famous Tata steel works start up, to meet the need for steel that beforehand flowed into India from England tariff free. With all the foundry workers either in the army or producing steel for the war effort, India had to start producing steel to meet its own internal needs.)
For VIP Briitsh India has no factory base at all nor does it have any machine parts nor the technology to build railroads. The human player that wants manufactured goods will have to pay for them with export earnings from primary resources. Managing the economy will be the most challenging aspect to playing India in VIP 0.3 I think.
I use VIP and just to know, what would be the benefit of having India as only a perpetual ally. Will UK still be able to exploit its resources?
minority said:
0.3 is to be released in the next 24 hours or so, so you can be the judge but from the testing ENG does not seem to have any problem getting the raw materials it needs via the world market. Partially this is due to revenue transfers IND to ENG that have been included. It's kinda complicated to explain at this time of nite but when you get 0.3 you'll see.