Has anyone else had problems with Indian and African nations randomly westernizing even though the only adjacent western provinces are trade companies?
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Indian nations randomly westernizing?
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No. What I experienced is juts westernization cascade: Circassia westernizes (by touching Genoa), then QQ westernizes, then Timurids westerinizes, etc...
not that I'm against westernizing, but it shouldn't be so rampant that every eastern country and the ottomans westernize every campaign, nor should it be like 1.7 where literally nobody but the new world countries westernized.
Basically , westernisation shouldn't be harder than it is, but criteria for STARTING westernisation should be way more harsh.
Had the same problem in west africa. Tunis and Morocco westernized of Portugal. Timbuktu westernized earlier and took several protectorats. At that point (almost) everyone in west africa started to westernize starting from the north. One nation finished while I was at war with them (half of the nation occupied) with the overseas cb now all provinces cost 50 dip. Ottomans are also western.
True, however, the penalities for not being western should be much smaller - at least for tech groups up to Chinese - and only really come into play in the last 50-75 years of the game.
In my last game there seemed to be three sources of westernisation. First the colonisers caused the natives to reform and westernise, I westernised as Ethiopia after getting a border with Portugal in Brazil, then the Mamluks westernised a few years later and crushed down burning due to unrest, war with me and the Syrian rebels I supported. As there weren't even any Iberian cores left in North Africa, westernised Ethiopia cased a wave of innovation spreading over the continent. The only country left there that was still not westernised was Jolof - because they just came free in a rebellion.
The third source was probably some minor country in Central Europe - these are often the most advanced - causing Poland to westernise, causing Lithuania to westernise, causing Muscowy (a few years later Russia) to westernise - which, in turn and combined with the French/Portguese colonies in Siberia, caused Manchu, Japan and the Siberian tribes to westernise. At the end the tech map looked like this:
Ahistorical as it may be, I really liked the way westernisation spread through the world there.
Its blatantly ahistorical, so I changed the unrest from westernisation to 10, much better.
It is not unhistorical and it is hard and costly allready.
Think about it like the countries open up themself to for forigine advisor and their merchants to the world market, you however still have to develop the technology yourself but the extra help make it much easier.
Think about it like the countries open up themself to for forigine advisor and their merchants to the world market, you however still have to develop the technology yourself but the extra help make it much easier.
What? Didn't you know, historically, Chinese technology was only on-par with Air's technology.
And extremely backwards compared to Ireland and Iceland.
I know you're being sarcastic, but there are still people who think that 18th Century Chinese armies only used spearmen (which is ridiculous).
What? Didn't you know, historically, in 1820 the Chinese navy was exactly as effective, ship for ship, as the British navy.
Well, I guess the one that really surprised me was when Mutapa westernized while they were only adjacent to my trade company provinces. They're completely isolated, and I thought they couldn't westernize from TC provinces.