India question

[unmerged(199227)]

Playing as Vijay right now, Pretty much dominate the entirety of India, anywhere I can move my capital at this point for a culture shift and perhaps some new bonuses?

Basically just looking to form a country in the region if there are any to form

 

[sprites]

the only formable country in the region is the mughal empire but you'll need to go far to switch ...

 

[gardel va]

As far as I know, you have to be Muslim to form the Mughal Empire.

To locate your capital, think about one of the Maratha provinces. They're pretty wealthy and, if you've already built a Glorious Monument in Kondavidu, you'll have a chance for another in Maharashtra, and maybe even a third if the random base tax increases fall your way.

 

[Foogsie]

As far as I know, you have to be Muslim to form the Mughal Empire.

Looking at the event, you just need to have Altaic or Iranian primary culture group, and not be the Ottomans or Persia (on top of the required provinces).

 

[lordkestrel]

Delhi is probably the best province in India for a capital, huge base tax and a nice trade good (tea).

 

[unmerged(150720)]

Looking at the event, you just need to have Altaic or Iranian primary culture group, and not be the Ottomans or Persia (on top of the required provinces).

Yes. It doesn't matter if you are Muslim or not

 

[unmerged(199227)]

Yes. It doesn't matter if you are Muslim or not

So I guess I'll commence on my Invasion of Fars.

Question, is going colonial with Manchu going to kick me in my ass on my other game? Ming scares me.

 

[lordkestrel]

Question, is going colonial with Manchu going to kick me in my ass on my other game? Ming scares me.

As Manchu, you pretty much *have* to start spreading out colonies. Ming is much larger and more powerful than you at the start, and you need to expand your provinces to bring in more income and have a higher force limit. Plus, Eastern Siberia has an excellent chance of getting Gold/Iron/Copper, so you'll likely end up with solid trade goods too.

 

[unmerged(199227)]

As Manchu, you pretty much *have* to start spreading out colonies. Ming is much larger and more powerful than you at the start, and you need to expand your provinces to bring in more income and have a higher force limit. Plus, Eastern Siberia has an excellent chance of getting Gold/Iron/Copper, so you'll likely end up with solid trade goods too.

Yeah, it also has an excellent chance for grain, in my case.

I'm still shocked Ming hasn't even insulted me yet, nor have they taken up their conquest of Veit mission they were given 30 years ago...

I still feel cheap colonizing things they historically never apparently bothered with, Russia really threw a wrench in world geography making any sense in that region.

 

[gardel va]

I just finished playing a game as Manchu, and found that Ming seemed unduly reluctant to attack me until I got pretty big. (I was allied with Japan for much of the time, which helped quite a bit.) I made a point of doing nothing to provoke them because, as you note, they're vastly more powerful than Manchu.

I did do a lot of colonizing and, to be honest, it was just about the only good news I had for much of the period. (Expanding into Ming wasn't an option, Ming was guaranteeing Korea, so expanding there was not an option, and those ghastly Oirat provinces are so poor they will pull down your already unimpressive Manchu average province value, and clobber your research.) Many of those territories north of Manchu have valuable resources -- I got two gold and two fur out of my first six colonies. Once you have colonists, there are also some missions that give you immediate cores, which is cool. They ended up increasing my research speed, although the cost was a big drain on my census tax receipts.

 

[knul]

I'm also playing Vijayanana now and I'm well underway to unite all Hindus under my rule. I'm thinking about changing the name of my nation at a certain point to reflect the change of local power to ruling empire of India. Something like Hindustan?

I would like to hear ideas on implementing a decision to enable this change and particulary what kind of effects would be appropriate. Cores on all Hindu provinces would be too powerfull, I feel, maybe an additional culture?

 

[lordkestrel]

I would like to hear ideas on implementing a decision to enable this change and particulary what kind of effects would be appropriate. Cores on all Hindu provinces would be too powerfull, I feel, maybe an additional culture?

You could add a union tag to the hindustani culture group, and then assign that union tag to the new country. You'd probably need to add tags for the western_arayan and dravidian culture groups too I guess (Vij is in the dravidian group).

 

[6354201]

I'm also playing Vijayanana now and I'm well underway to unite all Hindus under my rule. I'm thinking about changing the name of my nation at a certain point to reflect the change of local power to ruling empire of India. Something like Hindustan?

I would like to hear ideas on implementing a decision to enable this change and particulary what kind of effects would be appropriate. Cores on all Hindu provinces would be too powerfull, I feel, maybe an additional culture?

You could add a union tag to the hindustani culture group, and then assign that union tag to the new country. You'd probably need to add tags for the western_arayan and dravidian culture groups too I guess (Vij is in the dravidian group).

Making a union tag for India is like making a union tag for Europe, it doesn't really fit in the time period of EU3 and it it is massively overpowered. I think the best model for a "Hindustani" type country is the HRE. If you unite the HRE in HTTT, it isn't a union tag for German cultures, it's just a big sprawling behemoth of a country with cores everywhere.

 

[Dragnar]

The HRE is a union tag for the germanic culture group, and yes, that is overpowered...

 

[knul]

I certainly do want an overpowered nation, it's more for flavor than anything.

Is it possible to have a trigger that fires when you take x provinces of a religion? That way the Hindustan decision could fire if you conquer say half the Hindu provinces.

Also, as religion would be the unifiying force, maybe a bonus to Hindu tolerance and a penalty to heretic and heathen tolerance, plus maybe a bonus in missionaries so it's always possible to convert provinces?

 

[Trin Tragula]

I'm also playing Vijayanana now and I'm well underway to unite all Hindus under my rule. I'm thinking about changing the name of my nation at a certain point to reflect the change of local power to ruling empire of India. Something like Hindustan?

As a hindu nation Hindusthan wouldn't be a very likely name. It's persian for India and is what the Mughals called themselves emperors of. Therefore it's just as wrong as "India" if you're playing an Indian, dravidian country, like Vijayanagar. Bharātavarṣa is a much more indigenous phrase (and it's also much older) for a mythical greater India and a variant of this _was_ chosen for the real life unification of India (the Republic of Bharat is the official name of India).

As other's have said a pan-indian unification in this era might not be that plausible. Also you already have a very cool name as you play Vijayanagar which means something like the empire of the "The city of Victory".
Unification of the "dravidians" under Vijayanagar was almost achieved in real life and might be somewhat more probable as they did encourage the growth of Telugu culture, literature, etc and Telugu was spread over much of southern India as the language of administration. Then again I'm not sure how different that is from just having it as a primary culture. The language's domain did roll back pretty quickly once Vijayanagar fractured.
I'd use the "culture_group_union" command rather than a tag change if I where you so as to not tie it to a certain in game tag if you go the way of a dravidian union.

 

[unmerged(199227)]

Well, regardless what historically took place (everyone always resorts to that)

You should be able to unionize like people under one flag. Scandinavia, Italy, Germany are all examples of that. 1 of those never ever ever took place, and the other 2 didn't happen until the 20th century.

So forming India, Greece, Indonesia, hell even Australia would make sense to me.

You can make as much of a case for all these people not having a sense of national identity during these times, but remember, people in Italy don't just jump up and down yelling 'LONG LIVE ITALY'

 

[Trin Tragula]

Obviously unifications are fun My biggest point was actually about the name (Hindusthan only makes sense as a name for a muslim unification).
If you want to create an all Indian union you will have to make do with just two of the three culture groups though, as that's dictated by the game engine. You can't be the union culture tag of more than one culture group (and it must be the one that your primary culture belongs to) but you can add one more using the "culture_group_union" event command according to the devs

 

[6354201]

The HRE is a union tag for the germanic culture group, and yes, that is overpowered...

It is? I was under the impression that it wasn't.

You should be able to unionize like people under one flag. Scandinavia, Italy, Germany are all examples of that. 1 of those never ever ever took place, and the other 2 didn't happen until the 20th century.

So forming India, Greece, Indonesia, hell even Australia would make sense to me.

That's the thing, there is no such thing as one Indian 'people'. There is a shared common culture between Germans, Italians and Greeks, and Scandinavians as well as close linguistic ties (even between Scandinavians, excluding Finland). This isn't the case in India. A person living in Punjab in the northwest is very different from a Tamil in the southeast. They speak an entirely different language and they have a different culture. The difference is as wide (especially so in the EU time period) as between a Frenchman in the northwest of Europe and a Bulgarian in the southeast.

The Indian nation exists because of British colonization. Even today, after being united for 60 years, India is still incredibly fragmented. In fact, oftentimes English is the language of choice for communication between people from different parts of India, since the language gap is so wide.

 

[anomanderus]

After reading this I think I'll add "Bharatsava" as the union for Hindustani cultures and make Vijayanagar the Dravidian union. Need names for the western and eastern aryans though, if anyone cares to supply any.