Inconsistent game mechanic: who gets control of occupied state and why?

[Kryndude]

Googling the topic, I could only find a few reddit posts, some dating back to 3 years ago, that ask the same question but with barely any replies. Here's the case.


1. Puppet Mengkukuo automatically takes control of the state that my units occupied and refuses my request to hand it over.

2. It continues to grab another state for itself (despite my troops being the ones to take it) and then suddenly decides that that's enough territorial expansion for now. Btw, no claim by anyone except PRC and China on any of the newly occupied lands.

Any idea why this is happening? I want to put a proper Chinese puppet with cores in charge of those lands but Men is cockblocking me even though I'm its overlord.

 

[Sourlol]

My general observation is if a country is bordering land that is taken it goes to that country.

For example, if you accept Italy into axis and invite them to war they will occupy the parts of southern France that axis forces move into.

Same thing can happen on the eastern front when, say forces coming out of Romania advance into Russia.

It’s annoying as fuck in SP. and I find myself tag switching to fix it....which just fucks up my country when ai gets a. Hold of it for 0.2seconds.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

Do they have cores there?

 

[Kryndude]

It’s annoying as fuck in SP. and I find myself tag switching to fix it....which just fucks up my country when ai gets a. Hold of it for 0.2seconds.

type 'ai' on console command, it disables the ai.

Do they have cores there?

Nope

 

[SchwarzKatze]

Nope

That's really weird. Puppets shouldn't be able to take control of occupation unless they have a claim or core, and the states they took control here are exactly its historical area.

 

[Kryndude]

That's really weird. Puppets shouldn't be able to take control of occupation unless they have a claim or core, and the states they took control here are exactly its historical area.

Interesting, perhaps there's a hidden marker or something, because I'm 100% sure it didn't have any cores nor claims.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

refuses my request to hand it over.

Wait, can puppets even refuse? Can you show the AI reasoning?

 

[Yanotoshi]

In your case I wouldn't complain. Why?
1st the war is short, with the peace conference is only you gaining.
2nd you don't have to care about resistance.

But I totally understand to have the reason why. And here my answer: I don't know.

 

[Kryndude]

Wait, can puppets even refuse? Can you show the AI reasoning?

Unfortunately, I ditched that game and don't have a save remaining because I delete everything often to keep things clean. It refused and then when I moused over request control of state button it said something like 'it doesn't have anything it wants to give you' IIRC.

 

[Dlin369]

Mengjiang historically did have a claim on that area, but idk exactly how occupation works if there is no claim or core

 

[SchwarzKatze]

Unfortunately, I ditched that game and don't have a save remaining because I delete everything often to keep things clean. It refused and then when I moused over request control of state button it said something like 'it doesn't have anything it wants to give you' IIRC.

... Well, next time you ask for help or clarification, please don't delete the said save, otherwise no one can help you

 

[Trans_Atlantic_Drawl]

I'm having a similar problem. As Communist China, Mengkukuo surrendered to me. I started pushing into Manchuria occupying it for a few tiles until suddenly the land I was taking began to be occupied by the Nationalists instead. I understand we both have cores on Manchuria but I was taking ground with my own troops from and from my own territory so I don't really understand why I can't claim it for myself.

 

[Palaiologos]

Occupation, and peace treaties, are complete shit. They are the reasons I stopped playing, pending their next DLCs. I mean as Germany you cant even create a Reichkomissariat Ukraine since thos Romanians will occupy everything up to Kiev and Maikop

 

[bitmode]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Territorial_control

 

[SchwarzKatze]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Territorial_control

So it appears to be this exception-rule:

In all cases except the neighborhood rule, control passes to the master if the selected country is a subject.

How did people find out these arcane rules anyways? Are they elaborated anywhere in the game?

 

[Simon_9732495]

Occupation, and peace treaties, are complete shit. They are the reasons I stopped playing, pending their next DLCs. I mean as Germany you cant even create a Reichkomissariat Ukraine since thos Romanians will occupy everything up to Kiev and Maikop

You could play without letting anyone join your faction. (Or don't join any faction). Eliminates a lot of problems.

 

[bitmode]

How did people find out these arcane rules anyways? Are they elaborated anywhere in the game?

Not anywhere but the game's code itself, so by reverse-engineering and testing.

 

[Palaiologos]

You could play without letting anyone join your faction. (Or don't join any faction). Eliminates a lot of problems.

Well yeah, but thats not the point of the game though.

 

[Simon_9732495]

Well yeah, but thats not the point of the game though.

I think the point of the game is to build up and command a WW2 Army.

Anyway, just wanted to give an idea how you can go around things that annoy you and still enjoy the game.

 

[Dlin369]

I wish each state's occupation progress box (i don't know the actual name of it) also showed who would take control of the state from each faction if more territory was taken.